Joyce:

I just wanted to thank you for the excellent info you gave me on dying with 
Kool Aid.
I dyed some rabbit, artic fox and some grisley hackle and they all came out 
wonderful.
I never experimented with trying to make burnt orange for Chili Peppers because 
I have been told that the fish in Alaska don't want anything burnt. They prefer 
it bright.....



Thank you,
Alan Di Somma 

Phoenix, Mexico's second largest city....

Money will buy a fine dog, but only kindness will make him wag his tail.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joyce 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:45 PM
  Subject: [VFB] Re: Catskill Dry fly update


  Alan where did you find the video of Mary Dettes tying? I'd love to learn 
from it. Thanks. Joyce
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Alan Di Somma 
    To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
    Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:03 AM
    Subject: [VFB] Re: Catskill Dry fly update


    Thanks Nick.
    I haven't tied since the SowBug in 2004 so I am a little rusty to say the 
least.
    I have only tied about 15 dozen flies the past month trying to get some 
flies tied for my trip to Alaska in Sept.
    I have been getting better and faster and they are looking better the more 
I tie.
    The biggest problem is getting the proportions correct.

    Peggy's swap is for Catskill Dry Flies. That is a whole nother ball game.
    Tiny upright wings and heavy hackle really gets you to be exact.

    I watched a video of Mary Dettes tying and she does not use a bobbin or 
whip finisher.
    I plan on using both and a very strong magnifying glass to even see that 
tiny a hook.

    I actually have some 28's but I would never think of tying a dry fly on a 
hook that small.
    At least not for a couple of more years of tying.

    Thanks for the encouraging words, and yes I will do my best no matter what 
kind or size of swap I am in.


    Thank you,
    Alan Di Somma 

    Phoenix, Mexico's second largest city....

    Money will buy a fine dog, but only kindness will make him wag his tail.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Niclas Runarsson 
      To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
      Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 6:29 AM
      Subject: [VFB] Re: Catskill Dry fly update


      Hoping for noone to get disappointed is not real swap thinking, Mr. Di 
Somma. Let me tell you about some real swap thinking:

      Right this moment, I'm hosting 'On the Edge To Nothing Swap 2009' at the 
(Swedish) 'Edge FlyFishing Forum'... size #20 and smaller. And now I have seen 
some true swap thinking. This has become something I will use as an example in 
the future, when it's time for the old "A swap isn't a contest. It's all about 
effort." explanation.

      As a fly-fishing forum, this one differs a lot from VFB. Most of the talk 
is about fly-fishing and not really much about tying. Few of the tyers are 
advanced tyers. I wanted to see how much they really liked to tie tiny flies 
themselves so I invited them to a swap, but I took it "easy" and set the bar at 
#20... with a three months tying time (partly to be able to even fill the 
list). It took me by surprise, to say the least. The list of 12 participants 
was filled in less than 24 hrs... and most of the guys went out to buy hooks to 
even be able to participate. (A few of them didn't even know where to find such 
small hooks when signing up.).Only one of them chose to tie on a #20, as 
"large" as possible. The rest went down to #24 and smaller. (This #20 tyer 
later had to drop out... but less than 15 minutes after announcing it a new guy 
stepped in, coming in with a #28 PT nymph.) One of them bought #22's... as 
"practice hooks", so the #26's that he also bought wouldn't come as a shock. 
All this talk about buying hooks" was really nice to see. It was new, but they 
were ready to try. But it didn't stop with hooks. Two guys had some problems. 
But instead of dropping out or going for larger hooks, one of them got himself 
new glasses... and another bought a new vise!!! "Give up??? - No way!!!" LOL

      This turned out to be more than checking out the midge interest. It also 
became a check how people felt about swapping... and here it wasn't any "No, I 
can't do good enough to swap." Here we had some TRUE swap thinking: "I'm not 
afraid... it's effort that counts.", "It might not be the best... but it sure 
will be fun." The swap has been going on for two months now and the talk in the 
thread is the same: "Holy smoke, this was fiddly... but WOW it was fun!", "WHY 
haven't I tried this before???" etc. Some of these guys are guys who have 
complimented the midges I've posted earlier and then said things like "I 
wouldn't be able to tie in the thread on a hook that size" when I've asked "Why 
not try it yourself?".

      It really gives me a warm feeling reading through the swap thread (and I 
have read it more than once... just for the fun of it).

      When you WANT to give... then you're ready to swap. Same effort from 
everyone will make noone give less than the other. 

      /Nick




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      To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
      Subject: [VFB] Re: Catskill Dry fly update
      Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 07:40:39 -0700



        Peggy:

        I should have my tying skills up a little higher then they are now so I 
would like to try this swap.
        I'm not sure yet what I will tie but I sure would like to be in it, 
with these great tiers.
        I hope no one will be disapointed with my tying.


        Thank you,
        Alan Di Somma 

        Phoenix, Mexico's second largest city....

        Money will buy a fine dog, but only kindness will make him wag his tail.
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Peggy Brenner 
          To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
          Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:01 PM
          Subject: [VFB] Catskill Dry fly update


          And let's try our luck in the path Mary Dette and all the famous 
Catskill Dry Tyers laid for us with a swap, room for 10 and not due till 
December.  And to keep it a real stretch of our skills let's try for small 
dries, 16 and under, all levels of tyers.

          1 Peggy B  Condor
          2 Neville Gosling
          3 George Vincent
          4 Michael Bliss
          5
          6
          7
          8
          9
          10


          -- 
          Peggy Brenner


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