First of all, nobody put a gun to a vendors head and said, "go do this show, or 

Second of all.....whatever a little-ole'-fly-tyer might have for sale is no 
threat to a vendor.......specially since all i've ever seen a tyer sell is 
almost always a very specialized product of some kind. You take Marc Petijean 
(Magic Tool/best CDC in the world/a very specialized vise), for example.....he 
comes all the way from Switserland to Somerset twice each year....and pays for 
a booth.....but he's tying is he a tyer or a vendor? 
Obviously he's both.....but i highly doubt he'd have any problem whatsoever 
with the tyer right next to him, (his booth is actually IN tyers row), who may 
be selling antigue vises at his table or any other thing, and who did not pay 
for a booth.........i've NEVER heard a vendor bitch bout a tyer "selling" at 
his table. EVER.....wether it was flies, hooks, books, materials or anything 
else. If anyone understands the expenses involved for tyers, it's vendors. 
Hell, i've sold flies TO vendors. It aint no biggie Jeff. 

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:14:06 -0700
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....

I wouldn't be pleased if I paid to be a vendor. Sowbug isn't really an art fly 
show. Could I sell t-shirts and sock monkeys at my table? Just illustrating the 
absurd by being absurd.

From: Mark Romero <>
To: virtual fly box <>
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 10:59:30 PM
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....

Jeff, at many shows.....specially on the east coast........many tyers DO sell 
materials and hooks (specially antique and collectable hooks) at their tables. 
The Salmon fly guys have a whole underground business goin' like that.......and 
customers (like me) who see them 2/3/4 times a year just wanting to buy 
whatever they can get their hands on. Most Salmon fly tyers who've been at it 
for any length of time know, that one of the BEST sources for materials and 
hooks, is OTHER Salmon fly tyers who have side businesses doin' just that. i 
could give you a pretty long list of the guys i'm refering to, but not here or 
now. Point order to save shipping and also to be able to look at the 
stuff first hand BEFORE you buy (ALWAYS smart), a show is the only place you 
may ever to be able to do that. For instance i see Jens Pilgaard every year at 
the Somerset, N.J. (Jan.) "Fly Fishing" show. Do you 
know how much i've saved in shipping cost by buying directly from Jens at the 
Somerset show every year for the last 5/6 years. Jens is in Denmark........

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:37:09 -0700
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....

My opinion is that at Sowbug and Conclave, you are providing an educational 
experience. I suppose if a person wanted to sell stuff, there are vendor booths 
available. If I can sell flies, why can't I sell material and hooks? It's just 
a fly that's not assembled yet. I'm not railing on you, just the idea. Wilson's 
are not selling anything special anyway. I've got them on selling their books 
from the table as well. 

From: Mark Romero <>
To: virtual fly box <>
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 10:00:42 PM
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....

i've never heard of any rule bout not sellin' your flies at the 
Sowbug......i've sold flies there.
we've done the FFF Internationl every year since 2002 and that's one place they 
don't want you to sell your flies..........but most of us who have a buyer for 
something at that show.........just do business up in our room of the 
hotel........or out in the parking lot.........or in the hotel 
lobby..............anywhere but on the showroom floor..........
we've also done the Southern, Southeast, Great Lakes, Florida, Gulf Coast, 
Oregon, Washington, and Notheast, FFF Council Conclaves and have never been 
asked not to the East Idaho Fly Tying/Fly Fishing Expo they 
just give you a tax form to fill out, and you have to charge tax and give it to 
the organizers of the show if you sell..........and they get it to the 
state........i guess.
it's also no problem at all the east coast gotta be able 
to sell, in order to try and defray some of your it cost 
a small fortune to do shows all over hell and reason we 
started cuttin' back this year.....sorta, lol.......and will continue to do so 
as time goes by.........more and more each year...........cept for next 
year...........kinna, lmao...........


Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:10:55 -0700
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....

What really cheesed me off was when I found Terry and Roxanne Wilson selling 
flies from their demo station at Sowbug. I was under the impression that was 
not kosher.

From: Mark Romero <>
To: virtual fly box <>
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 8:03:02 PM
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....

Jeff, you've never been to the shows in the east.........there, you might have 
a half dozen of the BEST Atlantic Salmon fly tyers on the planet, all seated in 
a row or real close together........and trust me.......even though they be 
takin' all dang day to do one fly.............there's a dang good reason they 
don't just give 'em away. Once those puppies go in a frame, they can sell them 
for upwards of $400 each.....and they DO. Next time you come'll 
have to make some time to come UPstairs. i'll show you a bunch of 'em. 

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:42:26 -0700
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....

I thought everybody gave them all away for somebody that would sit and learn 
the pattern. I found out that was not the case. I suppose folks have their 
reasons. It's not like it's a piece of furniture or something really valuable. 

From: Anthony Spezio <>
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 7:11:44 PM
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....

Could not pass up the low water this morning. Went fishing and got skunked..
That is the first time getting skunked in years.
I always give away all the files I tie at the tie-in's and at any shows I do.

--- On Sat, 10/31/09, Mark Romero <> wrote:

From: Mark Romero <>
Subject: [VFB] Out bid.....
To: "virtual fly box" <>
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 3:55 PM

Patrick.....i got out bid.....and i could raise my bid, but i have lots of Seal 
anbd i been buyin' to many other things to keep goin' high and 
higher.........if i can't get a steal/deal, (on "most" things)....."my name is 
bennitt, and i aint in it." 
Tony, we had bout 15 tyers today for the Tye-IN........was a lotta fun and some 
really good food. i gave everything i tyed away to other tyers.Hope your 
feelin' ok.  First day we had the water down and sunshine, in a while.......but 
they turned it back on round noon or earlier............jeeze. Startin' 
tomorrow, no more fishin' at the damn until the Browns are done spawnin'. Oh 

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