First of all, nobody put a gun to a vendors head and said, "go do this show, or else."
Second of all.....whatever a little-ole'-fly-tyer might have for sale is no threat to a vendor.......specially since all i've ever seen a tyer sell is almost always a very specialized product of some kind. You take Marc Petijean (Magic Tool/best CDC in the world/a very specialized vise), for example.....he comes all the way from Switserland to Somerset twice each year....and pays for a booth.....but he's tying constantly.....so is he a tyer or a vendor? Obviously he's both.....but i highly doubt he'd have any problem whatsoever with the tyer right next to him, (his booth is actually IN tyers row), who may be selling antigue vises at his table or any other thing, and who did not pay for a booth.........i've NEVER heard a vendor bitch bout a tyer "selling" at his table. EVER.....wether it was flies, hooks, books, materials or anything else. If anyone understands the expenses involved for tyers, it's vendors. Hell, i've sold flies TO vendors. It aint no biggie Jeff. Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:14:06 -0700 From: bighawk...@yahoo.com Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... To: firstname.lastname@example.org I wouldn't be pleased if I paid to be a vendor. Sowbug isn't really an art fly show. Could I sell t-shirts and sock monkeys at my table? Just illustrating the absurd by being absurd. From: Mark Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com> To: virtual fly box <email@example.com> Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 10:59:30 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... Jeff, at many shows.....specially on the east coast........many tyers DO sell materials and hooks (specially antique and collectable hooks) at their tables. The Salmon fly guys have a whole underground business goin' like that.......and customers (like me) who see them 2/3/4 times a year just wanting to buy whatever they can get their hands on. Most Salmon fly tyers who've been at it for any length of time know, that one of the BEST sources for materials and hooks, is OTHER Salmon fly tyers who have side businesses doin' just that. i could give you a pretty long list of the guys i'm refering to, but not here or now. Point is.....in order to save shipping and also to be able to look at the stuff first hand BEFORE you buy (ALWAYS smart), a show is the only place you may ever to be able to do that. For instance i see Jens Pilgaard every year at the Somerset, N.J. (Jan.) "Fly Fishing" show. http://www.flytying.dk Do you know how much i've saved in shipping cost by buying directly from Jens at the Somerset show every year for the last 5/6 years. Jens is in Denmark........ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:37:09 -0700 From: bighawk...@yahoo.com Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... To: firstname.lastname@example.org My opinion is that at Sowbug and Conclave, you are providing an educational experience. I suppose if a person wanted to sell stuff, there are vendor booths available. If I can sell flies, why can't I sell material and hooks? It's just a fly that's not assembled yet. I'm not railing on you, just the idea. Wilson's are not selling anything special anyway. I've got them on selling their books from the table as well. From: Mark Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com> To: virtual fly box <email@example.com> Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 10:00:42 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... i've never heard of any rule bout not sellin' your flies at the Sowbug......i've sold flies there. we've done the FFF Internationl every year since 2002 and that's one place they don't want you to sell your flies..........but most of us who have a buyer for something at that show.........just do business up in our room of the hotel........or out in the parking lot.........or in the hotel lobby..............anywhere but on the showroom floor.......... we've also done the Southern, Southeast, Great Lakes, Florida, Gulf Coast, Oregon, Washington, and Notheast, FFF Council Conclaves and have never been asked not to sell............at the East Idaho Fly Tying/Fly Fishing Expo they just give you a tax form to fill out, and you have to charge tax and give it to the organizers of the show if you sell..........and they get it to the state........i guess. it's also no problem at all the east coast shows.............you gotta be able to sell, in order to try and defray some of your expenses...........man it cost a small fortune to do shows all over hell and back...........one reason we started cuttin' back this year.....sorta, lol.......and will continue to do so as time goes by.........more and more each year...........cept for next year...........kinna, lmao........... Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:10:55 -0700 From: bighawk...@yahoo.com Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... To: firstname.lastname@example.org What really cheesed me off was when I found Terry and Roxanne Wilson selling flies from their demo station at Sowbug. I was under the impression that was not kosher. From: Mark Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com> To: virtual fly box <email@example.com> Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 8:03:02 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... Jeff, you've never been to the shows in the east.........there, you might have a half dozen of the BEST Atlantic Salmon fly tyers on the planet, all seated in a row or real close together........and trust me.......even though they be takin' all dang day to do one fly.............there's a dang good reason they don't just give 'em away. Once those puppies go in a frame, they can sell them for upwards of $400 each.....and they DO. Next time you come over.....you'll have to make some time to come UPstairs. i'll show you a bunch of 'em. Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:42:26 -0700 From: bighawk...@yahoo.com Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... To: firstname.lastname@example.org I thought everybody gave them all away for somebody that would sit and learn the pattern. I found out that was not the case. I suppose folks have their reasons. It's not like it's a piece of furniture or something really valuable. From: Anthony Spezio <bambot...@yahoo.com> To: email@example.com Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 7:11:44 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... Could not pass up the low water this morning. Went fishing and got skunked.. That is the first time getting skunked in years. I always give away all the files I tie at the tie-in's and at any shows I do. Tony --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Mark Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Mark Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com> Subject: [VFB] Out bid..... To: "virtual fly box" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 3:55 PM Patrick.....i got out bid.....and i could raise my bid, but i have lots of Seal anbd i been buyin' to many other things to keep goin' high and higher.........if i can't get a steal/deal, (on "most" things)....."my name is bennitt, and i aint in it." Tony, we had bout 15 tyers today for the Tye-IN........was a lotta fun and some really good food. i gave everything i tyed away to other tyers.Hope your feelin' ok. First day we had the water down and sunshine, in a while.......but they turned it back on round noon or earlier............jeeze. Startin' tomorrow, no more fishin' at the damn until the Browns are done spawnin'. Oh well............. New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Simplify your PC. 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