Mike, also way back in the days.....when most all blind eye hooks had squared 
off hook shanks and no tapers.....the gut was usually tyed in almost the 
complete length of ther shank..........so as to make it less likely to pull out 
while fighting big fish. But with the advent of tapered hooks and specially 
since we most often do not fish these flies.....the guy in most often nowdays, 
only tyed in to "fit inside" the taper. Which is why, when you are sucking on 
it to prepare it for shaping into a neat little ring to make the eye, you 
should also nibble on the two tags ends. You just bite right on both ends to 
fray them and prepare them for seperation, so you can stager your cuts. You 
wanna trim the gut on a taper to keep the taper on the hooks smooth and even. 
So say you have three strands on the piece your working with.....after you get 
it bout half way lashed down.....you seperate the strands and make graduated 
cuts of the three strands individually and continue lashing. That's how you 
keep a nice taper for your body. 

Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:22:32 -1000
Subject: [VFB] Re: in case
From: flyfish...@gmail.com
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com

Mark or Iain,

I don't tie with blind eyes so tell me why do you twist the gut to make the 
eye?  Does it keep it from closing or what?


On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Mark Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Iain, i've twisted a lot of gut over the last few years.....i know the 
process.....and i never said it was hard........it IS a piece of cake...........
What i said IS, it's time consumming. And i simply don' t have the time for 
that. Plus i'm set for life on gut now. i can't live long enough to use all i 

From: iainsh...@hotmail.com
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: [VFB] Re: in case
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:42:22 +0000

Naaaah, twisting is easy. Nail in a bench gut ends knotted.  other end knotted 
or loops on a cup hook, hook turned in electric screwdriver.
soak gut first in boiling water to soften then twist.  leave overnight to dry.

From: markflie...@hotmail.com
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: [VFB] Re: in case
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:44:04 -0700

Not a bad idea Iain.....but i'd still have to twist it right? And actually, i 
think i'm prolly set for life at this point.....i've got alllllllll kinds of 
gut now, from a whole lotta sources and 90% of it is already twisted. Twisting 
is not the problem.........it's the time involved to do it. Time........the 
most precious and hard to come by thing we got...........nowhere near enough 
of............Damn shame we need to sleep. 

From: iainsh...@hotmail.com
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: [VFB] Re: in case
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:07:05 +0000

try your local vet for out of date gut sutures, comes in all sizes.

From: markflie...@hotmail.com
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: [VFB] in case
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:49:29 -0700

In case anyone is interested. i got my Ukelele strings in the mail 
today..........the gut is very nice.......very clean and very light in 
color........perfect for dying. i think there is more on ebay.......price is 
pretty good as well. Now let's hope the tennis racquet stuff is just as good.  
ebay is sometimes a crap shoot......lol 

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