Chuck, this is the 5th time this has posted. Check your settings.
DonO
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From: Chuck Alexander
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Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [VFB] Coal Bed Methane (CBM), how to make a choice...
Yep... It's like prisons. We ALL want the bad guys locked up, just NOT in
"our communities", Chuck
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From: Don Ordes
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Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [VFB] Coal Bed Methane (CBM), how to make a choice...
Neville, I understand totally. This is not a political debate, but a
reality we all face and have caused by living in a technological age. As long
as we operate vehicles and heat our homes (and AC them), we are going to need
sources of power. This is what it's all about. No one, including me, wants to
see the the sacrifice of our land and liviability surrendered to the
unscruplous and loosely handled operations of the greedy energy conglomerates
and Wall St. We all want it, but 'over there, not here'.
That's what's driving the whole industry to look for alternte fuels and
sources of power. So now in Wyoming we have huge windmill farms that are just
as bad as CBM (or logging was) for desecrating the landscapes and horizons.
They have to have roads, maintenance crews, distribution lines, etc., and all
this messes with the enviornment.
No one wants dams anymore, so tear them down. Coal companies fund those
efforts.
No one wants oil or natural gas operations, especially near them. Obvious
reasons, as Neville stated.
No one wants the pollution of coal-fired power plants, although with proper
scrubbing, they're much better than they used to be. (But electric cars will
be needed to make use of the transportation capabilities.)
Solar power is an option for generating electricity, but decades from
meaningful contributions (like windmills).
Geothermal is being done, but too few places, and most of them parks.
Volcanoes are a good source of power, but are problemmatical and usually
require human sacrifice. (lol)
Here they want to take the windmills down in lieu of scenery and the
environment.
Bio-fuels are expensive to produce, like ethanol, and this has come under
fire for corruption and inefficiency.
Some local waste-gas systems are efficient, but don't affect the big
problems, not yet anyway.
Hydrogen may be a way, but it is very problemmatical.
Offshore methane hydrate deposits may have more btu's locked up than all
the other sources on earth combined, but it is very hard to reach and expensive
to get to the surface. We don't even have the technology yet to get it, but
some proposals are out there. I say slurry- we'll see.
If we can harness lightning, that could be a source, but again, is decades
from reality.
Nuclear Energy is making a comeback (as GB would say- 'nucular'), but that
has it's risks, too. Do you want to live downwind of one?
Wood-burning in fireplaces is banned in cities all over the country because
of smoke pollution.
So, in the big picture, what's working against your favorite fishing and
recreating areas? Demand and control. We demand and they control. 'We' are
the users and 'they' are the providers (along with the 'parasites' of the
providers). Everyone who has their hand in the fuel-till is a parasite of the
provider, and the provider is a parasite of the land. Even if one is an energy
investor, he has a responsibility for the harm done. So a portion of every
dollar you spend on fuel is used to wreck your environment (or their's), and
then line the pockets of rich people & politicians, and then get you where you
want to be, heat your home, and cook your burgers. I don't have to explain how
powerful the oil companies are when it comes to detroit and mpg for cars. Wow,
all of a sudden cars are getting 35+ mpg. Why didn't they do that 20/30 years
ago? Shall I name all the players, your governments included? So we decided
to make OPEC rich and then deal with the consequences later (shifting the
burden to our children). But at least they not gathering energy on our
favorite plot of land.
I am very environmentally consious in my designs, and I teach the same
thing to operators. And I believe that fines do no good with the beaucrats in
bed with the energy companies. But every dollar we spend on fuel of any kind
that is gathered and transported to us for convenience puts the responsibility
on us for the problems we face. And 'do it there, not here' is not a solution.
'There' is always somebody else's 'here'.
So unless we want to ride bicycles to our fishing holes, we're all
responsible for the big ol nasty energy picture, and are at the mercy of those
who have the means to provide mass consumption energy. In populated countries
where there are no cars, the pollution comes from burning wood for heat and
cooking- if there is any left to burn. There, charcoal makers are the industry
of need, to cut down on city smoke, and they, in turn, cut down the forests,
which pollutes the rivers, which takes away from their fishing for a living....
"Anguish of nations, not knowing the way out."
Don
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From: Neville Gosling
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Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:41 AM
Subject: [VFB] Coal Bed Methane (CBM)
And now for the fishing content:-
I and many other residents of Britsh Columbia (BC) are vehemently opposed
to coalbed methane extraction. The Government and Industry are only interested
in the almighty $ and will gladly destroy a pristine part of BC in the process.
This tends to happen around some of the best fly fishing rivers in the
province. CBM poses a risk to: -
a.. Water sources contaminated by chemicals used during the extraction
process, and by the unanticipated underground migration of methane.
a.. Farmers' fields rendered useless by huge volumes of polluting water,
produced during the extraction process.
a.. Rural landscapes transformed into networks of roads, pipelines,
flaring gas wells and compressor stations whose ceaseless hum has been compared
to that of a large tractor.
a.. Plummeting values of adjacent real estate.
a.. Conservative, multi-generation farmers turned activists after the
promise of land rental fees is overshadowed by ballooning industrial
development rolling unchecked over private land.
The Elk River near Fernie, BC and the Morice/Bulkley River near Telkwa.
Please refer to the following URLs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz19W7e1eGs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uZ8CFgRR5U
http://thetyee.ca/News/2006/11/14/CBM/
Sorry DonO but CBM is not wanted here.
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada
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