Hi DonO; >From my bait chunkin days, I found that crawfish and baitfish scents seemed to >increase my catch rate, especially with hard baits and older style soft baits >before the Senkos and the salt/scent added soft plastics became the norm. Any >oil including vegetable oil worked to keep weeds off in the really thick >stuff, seemed to help the strike rate too! even so, I always rinse my hands in the water I'm fishing once first entering a water body. My theory is that if there is an objectional odor on my hands it's replaced/masked by the native waters odor. Wayneb
--- On Mon, 8/22/11, Don Ordes <f...@tribcsp.com> wrote: From: Don Ordes <f...@tribcsp.com> Subject: Re: [VFB] Color and fish, and in people To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 12:43 PM On scent, to me there are two aspects to start with- before the take and after the take. A soft plastic bait will feel real, but does it 'taste' real? Will they keep it long enough to set the hook? A hard bait doesn't feel real, so taste doesn't matter- hook-up is on the strike- they can't spit it. The approach scent is of question here. What to they smell as they approach the lure or fly. Tell-tale human odors, even on live bait (though seldom), have been known to trigger a refusal. Garlic spray works on Cajun fish- carp, bowfin (tchoupique, cypress trout), alligator gars, etc. LOL Try cayenne pepper spray, too. DonO ----- Original Message ----- From: J Balmer To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 9:51 AM Subject: RE: [VFB] Color and fish, and in people As to scent, I've used garlic spray and a couple of others w/ little discernable difference. Anise seems to work, probably because it masks human sweat & oils, & I've used a couple of soaps to wash my hands before handling lures. There may be a taste diffence that would give a half a sec of so to aallow a hook set 7 I've certainly seen a lot of follows w/out a pickup ( especially last weekend) but I think that is more visual than scent related.. From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Blake-Hedges Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 10:35 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Color and fish, and in people Hi DonO; Well said! I've come to think it's more about contrasting shades than any particular color. I just happen to buy in to the red effect for Largmouth bass. I would not be suprised at all if I were to photograph flies in black and white and determine which other colors would give the same contrast as the red I'm using, perhaps black, blue, purple, etc. and see similar fishing results. I think it's the contrast that allows flies/lures to stand out from their background and be more readily detected by a predator species. Wayneb --- On Mon, 8/22/11, Don Ordes <f...@tribcsp.com> wrote: From: Don Ordes <f...@tribcsp.com> Subject: [VFB] Color and fish, and in people To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 11:26 AM Analogy: Sound doesn't exist (only vibrations do),- it's all in the ear, nerves, and conversion programming in the brain = sound. Like the old saying, 'If a tree falls in the forest, and there's no one to hear it, dies it make a sound?' Color doesn't exist outside our heads either, just like sound. It's sort of a misnomer that you 'see colors'. There are waves of light- a spectrum of wave lengths (the prism). The cones in the eye recognize them and the brain converts them to the colors we see. Proof: 'Color-blindness' is a problem with the internal system, not the light-wave spectrum. Some animals aren't really 'color-blind', but they just lack the mechanisms to turn light waves into colors in the eye and brain. Therefore, what a trout sees is what is programmed into its internal system. Even if they could talk, it would be hard for them to relate what they see, because we have separate frames of reference for colors. Their brains may interpret the red wave lengths (& infra-red) and the UV wave lengths so totally different that we do, we can't relate to it. Have you ever seen the photos of flowers pictured from what they think a bee sees? There's lots of site for photography of flowers taken with infra-red and UV filtering lenses. But who knows how a bee or hummingbird sees and interprets these wave-lengths in their brains? Applied to fishing- it's an open field for research of what we already think we know and doing personal research as to what works, and then trying to figure out maybe why it worked. We try flourescent lures, UV materials, splotches or red, glitters, black, pearl whites, phosphorescent materials- all with the idea of getting an edge on the unknown programming of fish color vision. Somethimes they work, and sometimes they don't. Science relies on consistent results, so we must not be nailing down all the variables. There may even be seasonal variables, like spawning time. Food for thought, debate, discussion, web research, tying experimentation, & lots of on-the-water-time for field research. DonO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Lehman" <jklepo...@sbcglobal.net> To: <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Some juice-bug experiments- bloody scuds > I've never seen through a fish's eye, but.. > > they must be able to see color, or else what is the genetic advantage of > having so much color on their bodies, especially at spawning time. It must > be a cue to other members of their species, ie the ladies, that they are > available. > > Jack > Austin > > On 8/22/2011 5:22 AM, Peggy Brenner wrote: >> They seem to, but I always assumed a fish saw black and white, same as >> cats. But we had a cat that liked rad marabou. >> >> >> Or do I pick the fly with the hot spot days when the fish are more available? >> >> Peggy >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" > group. > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. 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