Thanks that was helpful. On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Don Ordes <[email protected]> wrote:
> ** > Mike, > > Again, it depends on a lot of things, mostly, the metallurgy and > forging/bending processes used to create the hook. > > Understanding the basic metalurgy is helpful, but it's also somewhat > practical wisdom. A metal maintains it strength when bending if it can > return to it's original shape. Bending it beyond that means you 'yield' the > metal. How far you go past yield will determine how much strength of the > metal you compromised. If you heat the metal before bending, you are less > apt to break it, but you will have a more brittle metal once it cools. > > Wire hooks can bend quite a bit, and bend more easily. Forged hooks are > harder to bend, but are more brittle, therefore may break. The metallurgy > (combinations of metal) in the wire stock will determine just how soft or > brittle the metal will become once heat treated, but different methods of > heat-treating and normalizing will affect properties also. > > The way I've always done it is by experimentation. i don't like heating > hooks, because it takes the finish off, and they may rust under the body. I > bend a hook to see when it breaks, and then use the butt-end for a > tandem/articulated fly. Now I know the breaking point and get a feel for > how brittle the metal is. I go 50% of that and see if the metal looks > finely cracked at the bend, of if the finish chipped off. If so, I bend > less. I may also bend in a longer radius to spread the bend over a longer > area of hook- common sense. > > I'm not too concerned with hook strength for fly-fishing, because the > leader will always be the weakest link. Not many people lift a very large > fish out of the water on the hook, especially flyfishers. Bait-fishers and > lure fishers do it and the gear is sized for it. > > I had a hook come in a box of Mustads that was way off spec, either for > metallurgy or tempering. I put it in the vise and it was like a soft > plastic. I could twist it like a baggie tie and tie it in a knot- it was > like a stiff piece of string. No other hooks in the box were like that. > > DonO > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Michael Bliss <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:36 PM > *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Up or Straight eye for streamers > > Not an answer but a question to the group. I have bent hooks to change the > eye and to bend the hook. Any thoughts about what this does to the > integrity of the hook? If the metal is warm will that help? > > Mike > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Rodger Oleson > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> ** >> I've been looking at streamers in several different places in books and on >> the web. I'm wondering what the general consensus is as to using down eyes >> or straight eyes for the hooks. It seems it is a bit difficult to >> find/afford some of the straight-eyed streamer hooks. Well maybe not >> totally out of line, but it seems strange to pay a couple dollars more for >> 25 TMC/Tiemco 8089's as opposed to a similar(R74-9672) mustad hook with a >> down eye. (Seems to be the general pricing trend) Is it a case of paying >> for something better or just pricing to take advantage of what the market >> will bear? >> Anybody here have any thoughts/reasons for choosing down eye or straight >> eye hooks for streamers? >> I just thought I'd tie a box full of Woolly Buggers while listening to the >> Rangers on the radio, and noticed I had very few hooks with straight eyes >> and 4X long. >> >> Rodger O. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" >> group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en >> >> VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > > > > > -- > Mike Bliss > Aloha from Hawaii > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" > group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" > group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > -- Mike Bliss Aloha from Hawaii -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. 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