Don O
Sounds like something to look into. Could be interesting to say the least.
Kevin
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:15 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Hook Swap- previous swap question [14 Updates]
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> Hook Swap- previous swap question
>
> "Don Ordes" <[email protected]> Jan 20 08:30AM -0700
>
> Question for all the swappers that were in the previous hook-swap:
>
> What did you think of the quality of the hooks vs the price?
>
> DonO
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick Zieger
> To: VFB
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:58 AM
> Subject: [VFB] Hook Swap
>
>
> Just called Hagens and here are the prices. Excise tax and shipping at the
> bottom.
>
> Hook Swap
> 1. Rick Zieger 300 size12 19-12-300 $ 54.95
> 2. Don Ordes 285 size 12 19-12-285 $66.80 35-87-02
> 3. Chuck Alexander ½ 270 size 10 19-10-270 $70.44
> 4. Chuck Haase 320 12 19-12-320 $54.65
> 5. Joyce Westphal 135 12 19-12-135 $59.51
> 6. Allan Fish 1/2
> 7. Wayne Blake -Hedges 320 size 16 19-16-320 $54.65
>
> 8. Eric Worm 285 8 19-08-285 $66.80
> 9. Ron Boutin 300 size 14 19-14-300 $54.95
>
> 10. Peggy Brenner 270 size 12 number 19-12-270 $70.44
>
> 11. Bob Hendrey 270 (19-10-270) #10. $70.44
>
> Add 10 % for the excise tax. Also $5.20 for shipping. Express box
> Rick Zieger
> 28433 N State
> Lamoni, Ia 50140
>
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> Wayne Blake-Hedges <[email protected]> Jan 20 09:13AM -0800
>
> Hi DonO;
>
> I think they're a great value for the money, seem to be as good as any other
> hook out there.
>
> Wayneb
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Don Ordes <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [VFB] Hook Swap- previous swap question
>
>
> Question for all the swappers that were in the previous hook-swap:
>
> What did you think of the quality of the hooks vs the price?
>
> DonO
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> "Don Ordes" <[email protected]> Jan 20 11:14AM -0700
>
> How many VFBers would still be interested in co-op swaps in general?
>
> We've had the saddle swaps- very successful, but Byard is out of the
> picture.
>
> We've had the 1st co-op hook swap- successful, from what I am hearing. #2 is
> in progress.
>
>
> Why do I ask? If there's not enough interest, I won't spend any more time on
> it. If there's enough interest, the following will set forth the approach.
> All ideas are welcome.
>
> I've devised a chart that a swapmeister can use to moderate any swap based
> on bulk orders, even if it's 9 or 2 swappers. (working on a 10-person swap
> basis normally, not maximum or minumum) It's like a football pool for
> signing up.
>
> For the swapmeister- 10% of the goods for his/her efforts and time, plus
> shipping and handling fees. There's no cost for the swapmeister, just time,
> so this would be a way for a swapmeister to host a co-op swap for things
> they need, and 10% of a bulk order would be enough. Of course, the can list
> higher %ages and buy more just like a swapper would. Someone retired and on
> a limited budget can stock up without cost by hosting co-op swaps of
> anything they can buy cheaper in bulk, but don't need that much. Hagan's is
> a great example- bulk discounts.
>
> With the Hagen's order, beads and dubbing boxes can be added at much cheaper
> prices that other single sale retail catalogs. I think the swapmeister just
> needs to sign up with Hagan's to be a customer. There's a 10% excise tax
> they add to orders, so include that in the bulk price.
>
> What can be co-op swapped? Anything that can be divided, so discounted bulk
> purchases will be especially cost effective, like the hooks. But even the
> Whiting saddles were effective. Six swappers may want to divide up a fox
> pelt = one catagory of a co-op swap sheet. Or the swapper may be able to
> order 10 squirrel pelts for a cheap bulk price from a furrier.
>
> HOW? You look at the co-op swaps open, request a chart via email. You see
> what you like and the %ages available and the price, and put yourself down
> for that (email your requests- mark up a print you make). If you want to add
> items to the list, you can add a product and see how many others want to
> co-op that with you.
>
> This chart would even work with a materials swap, like we've had in the
> past.
>
> OK, let's see if there's any interest.
>
> DonO
>
>
>
> ashley strutt <[email protected]> Jan 20 08:14PM
>
> Yes, I would be interested but not being in the US I would not be
> suitable to be a swapmeister due to added shipping costs.
>
> Beads?
> Bucktails?
>
> Just two things that I would be interested in.
>
> Ashley
>
>
>
> "Neville Gosling" <[email protected]> Jan 20 12:15PM -0800
>
> Don O
>
> I have enjoyed and benefitted from some of the swaps in the past via Byard
> and Line’s end.
> I would be interested in beads, hare’s masks etc. , and especially whiting
> feathers although I don’t expect that situation to improve this year, plus
> the price has gone up.
>
> I didn’t enter the hooks swap because my requirement for hooks differs from
> that of the majority of VFB’ers and I would end up with hooks of
> sizes/styles that I don’t need. I have enough hooks for a lifetime in
> quantity but not style. I am fussy about my hooks and consider a hook to be
> the most important part of fly fishing, especially since we are mandated to
> use barbless hooks in BC. (all rivers and some lakes)
>
> Neville (Nev) Gosling
> Greater Vancouver BC
>
> From: Don Ordes
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:14 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [VFB] Co-op swaps in general- a plan?
>
> How many VFBers would still be interested in co-op swaps in general?
>
> We've had the saddle swaps- very successful, but Byard is out of the
> picture.
>
> We've had the 1st co-op hook swap- successful, from what I am hearing. #2 is
> in progress.
>
>
> Why do I ask? If there's not enough interest, I won't spend any more time on
> it. If there's enough interest, the following will set forth the approach.
> All ideas are welcome.
>
> I've devised a chart that a swapmeister can use to moderate any swap based
> on bulk orders, even if it's 9 or 2 swappers. (working on a 10-person swap
> basis normally, not maximum or minumum) It's like a football pool for
> signing up.
>
> For the swapmeister- 10% of the goods for his/her efforts and time, plus
> shipping and handling fees. There's no cost for the swapmeister, just time,
> so this would be a way for a swapmeister to host a co-op swap for things
> they need, and 10% of a bulk order would be enough. Of course, the can list
> higher %ages and buy more just like a swapper would. Someone retired and on
> a limited budget can stock up without cost by hosting co-op swaps of
> anything they can buy cheaper in bulk, but don't need that much. Hagan's is
> a great example- bulk discounts.
>
> With the Hagen's order, beads and dubbing boxes can be added at much cheaper
> prices that other single sale retail catalogs. I think the swapmeister just
> needs to sign up with Hagan's to be a customer. There's a 10% excise tax
> they add to orders, so include that in the bulk price.
>
> What can be co-op swapped? Anything that can be divided, so discounted bulk
> purchases will be especially cost effective, like the hooks. But even the
> Whiting saddles were effective. Six swappers may want to divide up a fox
> pelt = one catagory of a co-op swap sheet. Or the swapper may be able to
> order 10 squirrel pelts for a cheap bulk price from a furrier.
>
> HOW? You look at the co-op swaps open, request a chart via email. You see
> what you like and the %ages available and the price, and put yourself down
> for that (email your requests- mark up a print you make). If you want to add
> items to the list, you can add a product and see how many others want to
> co-op that with you.
>
> This chart would even work with a materials swap, like we've had in the
> past.
>
> OK, let's see if there's any interest.
>
> DonO
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> Allan Fish <[email protected]> Jan 20 03:04PM -0500
>
>>based on bulk orders, even if it's 9 or 2 swappers. (working on a
>>10-person swap basis normally, not maximum or minumum) It's like a
>>football pool for signing up.
>
> Don,
>
> I'd like to see your chart. I might be interested in a swap
> sometime, although I can't think of a bloomin' thing I need.
>
> Can you send it to me?
>
> Tks,
>
> a.
> --
> Allan Fish
> Greenwood, IN
> [email protected]
>
>
>
> "Don Ordes" <[email protected]> Jan 20 01:59PM -0700
>
> Neville, this is where the co-op shines. Not all of the swappers need to
> desire your preferred hook. You get the best deal with an order of 1000, but
> you need others to share the cost and the hooks. Hagans will make smaller
> orders for a $1 per line item order, hence the 500 hook samples.
>
> So the swapmeister gets your request for a specific hooks and posts it to
> the list. If there are others who want to share just that hook, they sign up
> and commit to a portion of that hook and others available..
>
> Then after the swapmeister takes his 10% (of whatever order), and you take
> your portion, the others take their portions until the order is depleted. If
> the 1000 hook order or 500 order is not filled, it's only a dollar to make
> the order for the amount committed to. Or get someone to buy the rest at a
> great deal. If the swappers want more than 1000, we could see if there's a
> charge for making the order -say 1200- instead of 1000.
>
> Allan, here's an example of the chart, done as a hook-swap, but substitute
> any bulk material for the hooks, and it still works.
>
> You'll notice a 'quantity remaining' line. That's where the meister will try
> to get the swappers to up their orders of that item until all are accounted
> for.
>
>
>
> Not all the math might be right- I've been revising numbers a lot to make it
> a one-chart-for-all model.
>
> The number of swappers can be added to- unlimited if the meister want to
> deal with it. The items are unlimited, too. Just make the chart wider and
> longer, or put it in a spread-sheet form, but that will make it harder to
> submit to some swappers. I have a simple little Sam's Club scanner- paid $60
> for it. Works great to scan this hand-drawn chart. And I can make a
> master-chart that anyone can copy-print and use for a swap.
>
> I see this as a motivator for swapmeisters to start swaps, as it's a way to
> get materials with only an investment of time, not money. After all, time is
> money when your're retired.
>
> If this goes well, I see Hagen's waiving all partial fees.
>
> Again, any suggestions are appreciated- this is for everyone.
>
> I copyrighted the chart just to keep it VFB related. Anyone on the VFB can
> use it for free.
>
> DonO
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Neville Gosling
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [VFB] Co-op swaps in general- a plan?
>
>
> Don O
>
> I have enjoyed and benefitted from some of the swaps in the past via Byard
> and Line’s end.
> I would be interested in beads, hare’s masks etc. , and especially whiting
> feathers although I don’t expect that situation to improve this year, plus
> the price has gone up.
>
> I didn’t enter the hooks swap because my requirement for hooks differs from
> that of the majority of VFB’ers and I would end up with hooks of
> sizes/styles that I don’t need. I have enough hooks for a lifetime in
> quantity but not style. I am fussy about my hooks and consider a hook to be
> the most important part of fly fishing, especially since we are mandated to
> use barbless hooks in BC. (all rivers and some lakes)
>
> Neville (Nev) Gosling
> Greater Vancouver BC
>
> From: Don Ordes
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:14 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [VFB] Co-op swaps in general- a plan?
>
> How many VFBers would still be interested in co-op swaps in general?
>
> We've had the saddle swaps- very successful, but Byard is out of the
> picture.
>
> We've had the 1st co-op hook swap- successful, from what I am hearing. #2 is
> in progress.
>
>
> Why do I ask? If there's not enough interest, I won't spend any more time on
> it. If there's enough interest, the following will set forth the approach.
> All ideas are welcome.
>
> I've devised a chart that a swapmeister can use to moderate any swap based
> on bulk orders, even if it's 9 or 2 swappers. (working on a 10-person swap
> basis normally, not maximum or minumum) It's like a football pool for
> signing up.
>
> For the swapmeister- 10% of the goods for his/her efforts and time, plus
> shipping and handling fees. There's no cost for the swapmeister, just time,
> so this would be a way for a swapmeister to host a co-op swap for things
> they need, and 10% of a bulk order would be enough. Of course, the can list
> higher %ages and buy more just like a swapper would. Someone retired and on
> a limited budget can stock up without cost by hosting co-op swaps of
> anything they can buy cheaper in bulk, but don't need that much. Hagan's is
> a great example- bulk discounts.
>
> With the Hagen's order, beads and dubbing boxes can be added at much cheaper
> prices that other single sale retail catalogs. I think the swapmeister just
> needs to sign up with Hagan's to be a customer. There's a 10% excise tax
> they add to orders, so include that in the bulk price.
>
> What can be co-op swapped? Anything that can be divided, so discounted bulk
> purchases will be especially cost effective, like the hooks. But even the
> Whiting saddles were effective. Six swappers may want to divide up a fox
> pelt = one catagory of a co-op swap sheet. Or the swapper may be able to
> order 10 squirrel pelts for a cheap bulk price from a furrier.
>
> HOW? You look at the co-op swaps open, request a chart via email. You see
> what you like and the %ages available and the price, and put yourself down
> for that (email your requests- mark up a print you make). If you want to add
> items to the list, you can add a product and see how many others want to
> co-op that with you.
>
> This chart would even work with a materials swap, like we've had in the
> past.
>
> OK, let's see if there's any interest.
>
> DonO
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> Neville Gosling <[email protected]> Jan 20 02:03PM -0800
>
> Hi Don O
>
> I did not realize that Hagans will make smaller orders for a $1 per line
> item order.
>
> Neville (Nev) Gosling
>
>
> On 2012-01-20, at 12:59 PM, Don Ordes wrote:
>
>
>
>
> "Don Ordes" <[email protected]> Jan 20 03:31PM -0700
>
> In the front of my catalg is a note stating that. Under 'Minimum Orders'.
>
> Under 'Quantity Discounts': it says "...are allowed for each individual
> product. We will allow you to combine your whole spinner order to obtain
> your quantity discount."
>
> If they do this for spinners, I would think they'd do it for hooks too.
>
>
> DonO
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Neville Gosling
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [VFB] Co-op swaps in general- a plan? chart shown
>
>
> Hi Don O
>
>
> I did not realize that Hagans will make smaller orders for a $1 per line
> item order.
>
>
> Neville (Nev) Gosling
>
>
>
>
> On 2012-01-20, at 12:59 PM, Don Ordes wrote:
>
>
> Hagans will make smaller orders for a $1 per line item order, hence the 500
> hook samples.
>
>
>
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> Neville Gosling <[email protected]> Jan 20 02:39PM -0800
>
> Don O:
>
> Hmmmm! There's only one way to find out.
>
> Neville (Nev) Gosling
>
>
> On 2012-01-20, at 2:31 PM, Don Ordes wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Michael Bliss <[email protected]> Jan 20 03:43PM -1000
>
> I am with Allan. I would be interested but boy I am fairly well loaded.
> Still I bet I can think of something. In beads, I have a bunch but I have
> pretty well switched to using tungsten. I figure if it needs to get down
> help it. I could use a few hooks in specialized sizes and types. Let's
> see where it goes. I know the Mad Scientist. His prices are already low
> but if there is something there I could ask about bulk (i.e.dubbing), I
> have met the Fish Guy who has hooks. I am not sure what his prices are
> compared to Hagen's but I could see. So I guess we need to see if there
> are areas of interest and then get a group for that interest.
>
> Mike
>
>
> --
> Mike Bliss
> Aloha from Hawaii
>
>
>
> "Don Ordes" <[email protected]> Jan 20 07:28PM -0700
>
> Mike,
>
> It's a flexible system- even if you mish-mosh it. Every catagory could be
> from a different vendor and be something different, as long as buying it in
> bulk made economic sense and there was enough interest to share it- hence
> the term 'co-operative swap'.
>
> The first could be cheap dubbing boxes, the second an elk hide, 3rd beads,
> and so on. The idea is to find something that makes sense to share, such as
> the Whiting saddles.
>
> DonO
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Bliss
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [VFB] Co-op swaps in general- a plan?
>
>
> I am with Allan. I would be interested but boy I am fairly well loaded.
> Still I bet I can think of something. In beads, I have a bunch but I have
> pretty well switched to using tungsten. I figure if it needs to get down
> help it. I could use a few hooks in specialized sizes and types. Let's see
> where it goes. I know the Mad Scientist. His prices are already low but if
> there is something there I could ask about bulk (i.e.dubbing), I have met
> the Fish Guy who has hooks. I am not sure what his prices are compared to
> Hagen's but I could see. So I guess we need to see if there are areas of
> interest and then get a group for that interest.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Allan Fish <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I've devised a chart that a swapmeister can use to moderate any swap based
> on bulk orders, even if it's 9 or 2 swappers. (working on a 10-person swap
> basis normally, not maximum or minumum) It's like a football pool for
> signing up.
>
>
> Don,
>
>
> I'd like to see your chart. I might be interested in a swap sometime,
> although I can't think of a bloomin' thing I need.
>
> Can you send it to me?
>
>
> Tks,
>
> a.
> --
> Allan Fish
> Greenwood, IN
> [email protected]
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> Rene Zillmann <[email protected]> Jan 21 09:54AM +0100
>
> Hi Don,
> goog plan, I would be interested in general. I still have enough hooks
> and hackle, but..
> Oh.. stop: I never have sufficient streamer hooks/ larger and medium
> sized streamer hooks ...
> What about chenille?
> Rene
>
>
> On 01/20/2012 07:14 PM, Don Ordes wrote:
>
>
>
> "J Balmer" <[email protected]> Jan 21 08:25AM -0600
>
> I'd be interested because not only am I bereft of materials in general,
> there's no place close to purchase them. Since I 'm buying online anyway,
> I'd just as soon buy material in a situation that benefits others.
>
>
>
> J
>
>
>
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
> Of Don Ordes
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 8:29 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [VFB] Co-op swaps in general- a plan?
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
>
>
> It's a flexible system- even if you mish-mosh it. Every catagory could be
> from a different vendor and be something different, as long as buying it in
> bulk made economic sense and there was enough interest to share it- hence
> the term 'co-operative swap'.
>
>
>
> The first could be cheap dubbing boxes, the second an elk hide, 3rd beads,
> and so on. The idea is to find something that makes sense to share, such as
> the Whiting saddles.
>
>
>
> DonO
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Michael Bliss <mailto:[email protected]>
>
> To: [email protected]
>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:43 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [VFB] Co-op swaps in general- a plan?
>
>
>
> I am with Allan. I would be interested but boy I am fairly well loaded.
> Still I bet I can think of something. In beads, I have a bunch but I have
> pretty well switched to using tungsten. I figure if it needs to get down
> help it. I could use a few hooks in specialized sizes and types. Let's see
> where it goes. I know the Mad Scientist. His prices are already low but if
> there is something there I could ask about bulk (i.e.dubbing), I have met
> the Fish Guy who has hooks. I am not sure what his prices are compared to
> Hagen's but I could see. So I guess we need to see if there are areas of
> interest and then get a group for that interest.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Allan Fish <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I've devised a chart that a swapmeister can use to moderate any swap based
> on bulk orders, even if it's 9 or 2 swappers. (working on a 10-person swap
> basis normally, not maximum or minumum) It's like a football pool for
> signing up.
>
>
>
> Don,
>
>
>
> I'd like to see your chart. I might be interested in a swap sometime,
> although I can't think of a bloomin' thing I need.
>
>
> Can you send it to me?
>
>
>
> Tks,
>
>
> a.
>
> --
>
> Allan Fish
> Greenwood, IN
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> Juicebug Swap Unleashed!
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> Eric Worm <[email protected]> Jan 17 12:46PM -0800
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> Awesome bugs everyone! Really looking forward to seeing them!
> Eric Worm
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> "And when it all goes well, when your dog does the difficult and does it
> with
> style, what you get isn't a bagged bird but the honor of sharing a moment of
> penultimate drama starring the dog you love and the bird you love. That is a
> taste of heaven, friends, and it's why the dog man hunts. And frankly, most
> of
> us kick through one hell of a lot of weeds between glimpses of Heaven."
> -Steve
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> From: Wes Wada <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Tue, January 17, 2012 3:05:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [VFB] Juicebug Swap Unleashed!
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> Never got them. When did you mail them?
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> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:50 AM, J Balmer <[email protected]> wrote:
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> I realize that mine weren’t pretty, but I didn’t see it on the pics page.
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