Thom,
Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you, I was busy sharpening my
knives!!!
Where are you talking about the hook taking a deep set, in the oral cavity?
 My understanding is that you can debarb a circle hook just like a J hook
without reducing hooking ability.  You talked about the hook penetrating up
near the eye - that may be a problem with fly design, no? I am going to try
to tie up some circle hook flies on some short shanked Eagle Claw circles
and do some experimenting.  I look forward to your answers.
Thanks,
Bruce

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> From: Thom Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [VFB] ouch! and a warning
> Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 6:58 PM
> 
> Man, is this list ever getting sensitive!!!!! Whittle away Dr. Whittle!!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce P. Whittle, DVM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [VFB] ouch! and a warning
> 
> 
> > Thom,
> > Why did you say to abstain from circles?  I have no experience with
them
> > but thought they were supposed to be less problematic because they are
> much
> > less likely to hook deep.  Just wondering, not trying to start an
argument
> > ;>)
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Thom Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [VFB] ouch! and a warning
> > > Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 3:52 PM
> > >
> > > Well stated, Greg. Nor does it hurt to try and remain mindful of the
> fact
> > > that while we are standing waist deep in a river having the time of
our
> > > life, there is another, equally sentient,  living, thriving, creature
at
> > the
> > > other end of our line who is fighting for his life. The fish don't
know
> > > we're "just joking." Someone forgot to tell them. Another reason to
> > abstain
> > > from barbs, trebles, and circles.
> > >
> > > Thom
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Greg DiMedio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 3:11 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [VFB] ouch! and a warning
> > >
> > >
> > > > I also have fished with guy who uses powerbait. It is a nasty
> > technique,
> > > > from what I can tell.
> > > >
> > > > He dead drifts the powerbait along the stream bottom in moving
water
> > and
> > > > waits for the trout to take it. A majority of the time, the trout
> > swallow
> > > > it, and he has to cut off the line, leaving the toxic mess and
treble
> > hook
> > > > inside. He admits that a number of fish die from the
> > swallowing/fight/hook
> > > > damage.
> > > >
> > > > There has been a lot about ethics on this list; all I know is that
if
> > we
> > > > look at ethics with a broader view of angling, fly fishermen should
be
> > > more
> > > > tolerant of each other's views and opinions.
> > > >
> > >

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