Mike,
I'm not a hackle retailer by any stretch, so the best way to get exactly
what you need is to buy a few Whiting 100 paks from your local store.  100%
useage and just the right size.  Cree will be hard to get in any form, but
put in an order for a hundred pak- it may get filled.

DonO


----- Original Message -----
From: "mike kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 12:34 AM
Subject: RE: [VFB] Dry Flies 101-reply


> how do i go about getting a pak of cree or grizzly from you don? i'm tring
> to tie some dry flys and could use the advise it sounds like the the way
to
> go, tie good one's to start with but it helps if the hackles are in the
> right sizes right? it's been quit awhile since i sat at the table but it's
> time to get back at it so would like advise if possible thanks mike
>   -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Don Ordes
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:23 AM
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> Subject: [VFB] Dry Flies 101-reply
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (*Don's comments)
>
>        Here is the deal: I CANT TIE DRY FLIES!!!!
> Either they sink, float on their side, come apart, or just look sick!
>
> *All dries will sink with drag, land on their sides when wet ot slimed,
> come apart when chewed on or cast a lot, and ratty-looking flies
> catch just as many fish.  So what's your problem again?
>
>  I can't afford full high quality hackles, so I use what I can get.
>
> *Hint-  Tie less flies, but of higher quality.  Work on making each fly
> perfect.
> If it's not perfect, cut it off and tie it again.  Figure out why it's not
> coming
> out perfect.  Ask questions here.  But train yourself to self-train, too.
> As you repeat the 'perfect' process, speed will naturally come, and you'll
> end up with many good flies.  If you quickly tie lots of imperfect flies,
> this
> is what you're training yourself to tie- quick, imperfect flies.  Train
> yourself
> to only be satisfied with perfection and it will come.  And train yourself
> not to get frustrated. This is as much a key as is talent or money or
> anything else.
>
>
> I have seen Whiting 100s advertised. Are they any good for a start?
>
> *They are perfect for what you need.  Decent price, no waste, consistent
> quality.
>
>  I am planning on tying just one size of one type of fly, say a # 12
Adams.
>
> *How many #12 Adams do you plan on tying?  A Whiting 100 pak will give you
> 100 Adams flies.  Tie them well, and that's a season's worth.  YOu may
even
> be
> able to find a hundred pak of cree.  But if not, go with brown & grizzly
> mixed for the hackles.  Then you still have brown and grizzly to tie other
> flies.
>
>  Can I omit the upright and divided wings and still enjoy a fish getting
> fly?
>
> *Yes, you may, but wings are an important part of the 'strike image' of
> up-wing style
> dry flies.  It's better to have a 'no-hackle fly' than a 'no-wing fly'.
Get
> a winger neck, as these are cheap and very easy to learn to use, and one
> neck will wing a hundred flies.  If you can't find them, I can send you
one.
>
> Do you have anything in your vast knowledge of dry fly tying that you
would
> care to pass on?
>                                                                     Del
>
> *I just did, and the only thing that is 'vast' around here is me.  lol
> DonO
>
> *Practice, patience, persistence.  (The same with tying as with fishing.)
> Learning to tie a certain pattern (or master a new material) has to be as
> much fun as being able to tie the finished product.  This is crucial
because
> you'll spend much more time learning to tie a pattern than you will spend
> time tying what you're already good at.
> Enjoy the journey, not just the destination.  Enjoy the process of
figuring
> it out.
> This is what good tiers are all about.
>
>
>

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