Here is a link
http://www.hawkeyeflyfishing.com/Fly_patterns/Terrestrials/T4.html
showing the pattern
Thomas
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Subject: RE: balsa and mono not foamRE: [VFB] McMurray Beetle


William,

For a McMurray bee or ant:

body: McMurray ant body (abdomen and thorax connected by piece of mono)
thread: black for black ant and bee, brown for red ant
hook: Mustad 94840 Size hook to body
hackle: black for black ant, grizzly for bee, brown for red ant
wings: optional match hackle colour

tying steps are:
1) wrap small thread base in middle of hook\
2) tie on body wjith a few wraps
3) tie in hackle, wind 2 to 3 turns.
4) whip finish

Cheers,

Alberta Al

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From: William Andreas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:51 PM
To: Grombacher, Alan; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: balsa and mono not foamRE: [VFB] McMurray Beetle


 I am looking for the pattern recipe for the McMurray Beetle.

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Sent: 3/3/2003 3:31 PM
Subject: balsa and mono not foamRE: [VFB] McMurray Beetle

Hey Tony,

The McMurray ant bodies were/are made of balsa wood and mono.  The
abdomen and thorax were of balsa (at least that it what I think it
is/was) and the connector is/was mono.  

The foam squares that you pushed the foam bodies out of were sold by
Orvis at one time.  I don't know if they still sell them.  They worked
at well.

I still tie the McMurray ants and bees.  THe McMurray bee is one of the
best fall dry flies.

I am not sure of the beetle.  A fella named Yager/Yeager in the Eastern
US was a source at one time.  My stockpile of bodies is getting low, so
let me know if you have a source.


Cheers,

Alberta Al

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From: Tony Spezio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [VFB] McMurray Beetle


If I remember correctly, The Mc Murry Ants and Beetles were the same
thing but
different sizes.
They came in a rectangular patch on closed cell foam that had a bunch of
cylindrical bodies punched through the foam. You pushed out a cylinder
and tied
it to the hook. If it was an ant, you tied it in the middle of the
cylinder and
wrapped a hackle for the legs. If a beetle you tied the cylinder in at
the rear
of the hook, wrapped up to about 1/3 shank from the eye tied a hackle
for legs,
brought the cylinder over the top of the hackle and tied down behind the
eye.
These foam blocks were pricey for what you got. That is why I think you
don't see
them any more. You might check your fly shop, they might still have some
in the
bargain bin.
Tony    [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Allan Fish wrote:

> >I am looking for the representative recipe for the McMurray Beetle.
There is
> >a gentleman in my flyfishing club that is fixated on this recipe in
upper NY
> >state and I want to tie a few for him.
>
> Good luck!
>
> I have been unable to locate McMurray Beetle (actually - ant) Bodies.
>
> You might check with Byard to see if he has a source for them.
>
> OR, if you are REALLY heroic, you can make your own.  They are simply
> two little cylinders of balsa or cork connected by a very short piece
> of monofilament.  The mono is tied on the hook and a hackle is wound
> over the tie-in point.
>
> Full directions can be found here:
>
> <http://www.virtualflybox.com/ips2/i36a.shtml>
>
> Read that (4 pages, I think) and you'll see why I said "Good Luck!"
>
> Allan
> --
>
> Allan Fish
> Greenwood, IN
>
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