Denny, thanks for the Clearwater advise also!!!  My cheapo hippers finally gave out this Sept and even with patches, i used them and got thru the season.  I've been looking at the Clearwater line myself and you really can't beat the price.  I'm seriously looking at the model that will convert to the guide pant.  Worth a trip to Manchester too, and hit the Best Diner on the way out!!!

Tom-Vermont

"I never go to rivers to kill hecatombs of trout or, actually any trout; I go to unkill parts of me that otherwise might die.."  A Few Premises-Nick Lyons

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