Paul, I didn't mean to imply that anything you said was incorrect, since everything was correct...but dener measurement ARE an improvemnt but not the answer to everything, unfortunately...due to the varying physical properties of various materials. The one thing that did surprise me was to find that the traditional tying thread, silk, had properties just about in the midrange of all the modern tying threads.
I don't usually get into the smaller threads, since I tie mainly for saltwater and warmwater, so really have had little need for the very fine threads. like I said 140 denier nylon is low as i usually go. Mark Delaney --- Paul Marriner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Keith, I don't know the precise answer, but not > many. As for fly-tying > thread, none of the "brands" are manufacturers in > the true sense. All > respool; so, for example, nylon threads are > generally made from one, two, or > three plies; hence 70, 140, 210 denier threads. > While the base material may > be the same, some additional "manufacturing > processes" may be included. For > example, UNI infuses a proprietary wax into their > waxed versions of > polyester. This wax isn't for dubbing purposes, it > gives the thread > additional "grip" and helps prevent fraying. > Mark is correct, which is why I grouped the results. > I believe everything I > wrote was correct. My main point was to show how the > x/0 system has been > abused. Size comparisons between different types of > thread are really of > questionable value; what's the meaning of "size" for > a nylon thread that > spreads out flat on the hook? > > Strength is another question, but it can be measured > directly. Almost 10 > years ago, Helm and Merg compared threads in a > detailed Fly Tyer article. > While their "size" measurements were inaccurate (a > poor measurement > technique), their strength measurements were pretty > good (excluding a few > misprints). That's why Griffiths 14/0, Benecchi > 12/0, and UNI 8/0 all had > the same strength---they are all the same material > and denier. > > Cheers > Paul > http://www.galesendpress.com > > Paul Marriner > Outdoor Writing & Photography. Owner: Gale's End > Press. Member: OWAA & OWC. > Author of Stillwater Fly Fishing: Tools & Tactics, > How to Choose & Use > Fly-tying Thread, Modern Atlantic Salmon Flies, > Miramichi River Journal, > Ausable River Journal, and Atlantic Salmon. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "KEITH PASSANT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:26 PM > Subject: Re: [VFB] Thread Sizing > > > > I thought the all time biggest thread was the IOFF > one?? > > And the smallest was when I asked if anyone wanted > to buy a Scottie 9'6" > > cane rod. > > (NO REPLY) > > > > > > > > > > The info in your thread was great though Paul. Now > a question. How many > > thread > > manufacturers are there worldwide? Would it be > wrong to summise that maybe > > some > > threads are made in the same factory and badged > differently? If so how > come > > the difference in say WAPSI to Gudebrod etcetc. > And what of the > > "independant" type > > suppliers of thread like Lureflash in the UK. > Theydont make threads but > > theysell them under their own brand name. > > Just stirring the pot folks. > > KP > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Marriner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:54 PM > > Subject: [VFB] Thread Sizing > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
