Mike: Thanks.. That may be my problem.. I went down to a 6X, (from a 3X I
think)  and I've problems with tangles etc since.... That is probably my
problem... Or the "NUT" casting  the rod ROFL, Thanks, Chuck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 6:58 AM
Subject: RE: [VFB] Non-Feather Wing Material (to Don O)


> Chck;
>
> Tippet material can also have a big effect here.  I have had a lot of
> trouble with fluoro tippets especially in the 6X,7X and 8x range.  I
> don't use it anymore because of the twisting problems.
> Mike M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Chuck Alexander
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 12:47 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [VFB] Non-Feather Wing Material (to Don O)
>
> Wes: Thanks.. I know what ya mean now, cause i have noticed that some of
> my
> flies, the tippet just curls up when it lands, and with others, it lays
> out
> perfectly straight.... I guess those did not spiral or twist.... Chuck
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wes Wada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 2:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [VFB] Non-Feather Wing Material (to Don O)
>
>
> > Don: How does one know if a fly is spinning during the cast????? I'm
> so
> > blind I can barely SEE the fly during casts, much less know if it is
> > spinning.. Or is it (the spinning) a feel you get in the rod????
> Thanks,
> > Chuck
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> One of my favorite patterns is a foam terrestrial with plastic wings
> cut from the plastic off a Tiemco hook bag.  I have used this pattern
> extensively over the last four years, and only once did I have a
> problem with a twisted leader.  What this looks like is that the
> leader will furl onto itself.  On smaller flies, the fly may not sit
> upright on the water correctly due to the torque of the twisted
> leader.
>
> That aside, I think whether or not wings will cause a fly to spin
> depends on a number of factors (feel free to add to this list):
>
> 1.  How big the wings are compared to the size of the fly.
> 2.  How rigid and how air resistant the wing material is
> 3. Whether or not the wing in the pattern is upright or tied more as a
> downwing style).
> 4.  Whether wing lengths are equal in length (given a pair of wings).
> 5.  How big the fly is...bigger flies will generally exhibit less of
> the leader twisting problem.
> 6.  How much the hook in question can act as a keel for the fly
> traveling through the air and sitting in the water.
> 7.  Tippet diameter... the thinner the tippet, the more apt any fly is
> to twist the leader.
>
> Just in my experience the problem is overrated.  But if you are a
> small fly/ light tippet guy, then the problem might be, well, more of
> a problem.
>
> Wes Wada
> Bend, Oregon
>

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