Don , Several years there was a survey on the number of native trout trash in the dumpsters in Yellowstone, Maybe someone can fine that report on this site to let us know the real facts and show the number left to rote in the dumpsters.I feel most tourist when going to the park ,is the first time they ever wet a line all year . Catch and kill even in the catch and release areas. Is anyone familiar with the dumpster count report on native trout. in West Yellowstone Park.?? Then many of you wonder why I don't travel to far from Libby, Montana. I hate casting my line and someone else fishing over the same spot , I haven't experience that in over 27 years and in most cases not seeing another .The Kootenai is the second largest river in Montana and like many women very moody ..Lol on the ladies.. Years ago I ran across a school teacher from Pocatello, Idaho and he mention there is some fantistic spring creek fishing on ther Fort Hall Reservation that is like Silver Creek more then fifty years ago .They have several there at Fort Hall . Maybe someone can update me on these springs creeks and which one is the best .,You can get the fishery reports on Google but in most cases not to much is really told .about those 4 to 6 pounders.and it's not to far west from West Yellowstone....Now if I would make a trip. this is one I probably take ... Glenn Overton

----- Original Message ----- From: "DonO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [VFB]Why rag on Mackinaw?


Reuven,

If someone offered me my choice of two trips- one to Flathead Lake (NW
Montana) for one week's fishing of lake trout (home of 30-50 pounders) , or
one day's fishing for Dorado in Loreto, Baja, I'd take the dorado trip.
Same size fish, but two opposite ends of the sport spectrum.  Catching a
giant macinaw is like catching a giant catfish or sturgeon. Lots of weight,
but no real fight.

One releases Mackinaw (or lake trout, and especially the big ones) because
they're just not that good to eat, especially if you have other trout as
options. I do know some people that smoke them (smaller ones), but they get
the munchies later for a Big Mac.

Dorado, lb for lb, are like the giant bluegills of the ocean- nothing but
fight.  Twenty pounders will flat wear your butt out - especially on a fly
rod (fights average one hour on 10 to 12 wt. gear) , and they run easily to 50 lbs, going to giants at 70+ pounds. And dorado are readily accessible to the flyfisherman- just find anything floating and you'll usually find them. You'll almost always know exactly what you have, as they spend a lot of time
up in the air.  Plus, you'll hook them up on surface flies or flies just
under the surface, so you'll see the take when you set the hook.  Later,
when you cook one up, it becomes Mahi-mahi, and we all know how that rates
as table-fare.  We release all but the last one, which becomes dinner that
night back at the houseienda.

As for Yellowstone, that's sad.  But I have heard a lot about the problem-
which they say was an illegal planting. They offered bounties on LT's, but
that didn't work.  Catch & Kill is what they wanted.  I remember the days
way back (25 years ago) when I would fish a black wooly-bugger at West Thumb
and catch arm-long cutts all afternoon long.  Bygone days, I hear.

DonO

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Subject: RE: [VFB] Farewell Yellowstone Cutthroat...



What is this total disgust for lake trout??

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, 31 July 2006 4:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [VFB] Farewell Yellowstone Cutthroat...


I also find this interesting. I hit the Yellowstone about a month ago...the
fishing was MUCH more difficult than I had remembered from 4 years ago (of
course, it can always be operator error).  Still...it was a great day -
Sarah and I got to take a nice hike away from the rest of the Tourons...saw
some nice wildlife (and kept our distance)...and was able to catch a
cutthroat...

Chris

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On 7/29/06, Tom Davenport <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I just returned from my annual trip to fish the Calibaetis hatch on
Yellowstone Lake. The hatch was amazing, the water literally covered
with bugs... but no one was home to eat the meal. In three days of
hard fishing I saw only one fish rise... the one and only fish I
caught. My fish finder showed nothing until I rowed out to Gull
Point to a spot where the water plunges from 18 to 100 feet, and
suddenly it sounded like Geiger counter as the fish alarm and fish
symbols showed HUNDREDS of lake trout holding between 20 and 100
feet. As far as I know the only thing those lake trout have to eat
is Cutthroat trout, and they have been feeding well. Add to that
Whirling disease in the Yellowstone river and some of the other
tributaries and you have the cause.

After talking with the rangers I heard some startling facts: Some of
the spawning creeks that used to fill with thousands of spawning
cutthroat had NONE return this year... and the Yellowstone river only
had 5% of the normal number of spawners.

It is sad to think that in 11 years Man has undone a fishery that
has lasted at least 4 million years (156 thousand in its latest
incarnation, when the West Thumb Caldera was formed it probably
killed everything in the lake).

The only good news is that the Lake Trout will start dying out when
their primary food source is gone... and probably begin a boom-bust
cycle. The same will be true for all of the wildlife that depend on
the trout spawn.

Eventually another volcanic event in Yellowstone Lake will purge it
of the Lake trout, and I suspect the fish will evolve a resistance to
Whirling disease, but none of this will happen in my lifetime. In
fact there is a good chance that men won't even be around to screw
things up when that happens.

I WILL return next year, and will hope that a school of surviving
Cutthroat just happen to be feeding where I am fishing. I will also
bring a spinning rod and some heavy jigs and see if I can get a
little revenge on the Lake trout...

Tom Davenport





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