I have a "copy" of this book of anyone is interested. OFF LIST PLEASE Tony
--- DonO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mel, > > I've read that book and have some Grant flies > somewhere in my stuff. The > weave he used was great, but I also liked how he > used the feathers under the > clear tail wrap for color patterns. > > DonO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mel hocken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:42 AM > Subject: Re: [VFB] Questions > > > > DonO > > Check out George Grant's book on weaving hair > hackles. If memory serves > me > > correctly he has a fly called a headlight that has > a deer hair collar. > > Mel > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "DonO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 6:15 AM > > Subject: Re: [VFB] Questions > > > > > > > Wow, Paul, that was great! Perfect reading for > my morning espresso. > > > > > > I have always had the suspicion that hair > spinning came as an offshoot > of > > > hair-wing tying. What happens when you tie > hollow hairs on as wings? > The > > > bases flare out. Trim them off and there's a > hair wing left. Don't > trim > > > them and you have a muddler collar and head. > Tie on lots of them, and > > > trim > > > them all, and one has a mouse. If the first > trimmed hair was the body of > > > an > > > irresistible, them maybe it was the offshoot of > using hair for the tail, > > > and > > > them trimming the butts for the body rather than > cutting them off. > > > > > > I have an old magazine about the invent of the > muddler pattern. The > > > article > > > gives the credit to a man named Don Gappen. The > photo of his fly bore > > > little resemblence to the trimmed, dense-headed > muddlers of today. It > > > looked like a feather-wing with a hair-wing > added, left untrimmed. > > > > > > I would also like to know who claims > responsibility for the humpy. I > have > > > sure caught a lot of fish on that fly, when not > much else worked. I > think > > > someone from Jackson Hole WY is claiming the > double-humpy, another > > > fish-catcher. I claim the 'quintessential > humpy'- five humpies on a 10X > > > hook. :o) > > > > > > I remember experimenting many years ago with > deer-hair 'hackle' collars. > > > Flies looked great, but they didn't hold up like > chicken feather > hackles. > > > > > > DonO > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Paul Marriner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 6:40 AM > > > Subject: [VFB] Questions > > > > > > > > >> "First" always means "first to write, or be > written, about." I don't > > >> believe fly fishing has had much of an oral > history except perhaps in > > >> middle Europe where it is believed that fly > fishing existed long before > > >> its appearance in western Europe. > > >> > > >> first dry fly - likely the Macedonians as they > tied a feather on a hook > > >> to imitate a natural fly being taken on the > surface. "Dry" flies have > > >> been around "forever" so the usual historical > question is "who began > > >> tying flies intended to be CAST UPSTREAM and > floated to a feeding > fish?" > > >> It's the problem of "casting a (FLOATING) line" > as opposed to say > > >> "dapping" that moves the debate to "modern" > times. There are quotations > > >> from 18th century works that suggest this > method but imagine how hard > it > > >> would be to fish a short line tied onto the end > of your rod. > > >> > > >> first hair wing - records exist of Native > Americans using strips of fur > > >> lashed to hooks. These might be also be > considered the first streamers. > > >> I have a record of an Indian Streamer in a > circa 1840 book. It was > > >> created by a Mi'kmaq living in the Shubenacadie > area of Nova Scotia. > The > > >> first hairwings are often credited to guests at > the Trude ranch (circa > > >> 1910), but this is very unlikely, even if you > don't like the strips as > > >> wings. I'll check later, but I believe I found > mention of a hairwing > > >> (hair cut and attached as a clump) fly in > Marbury. > > >> > > >> spin deer hair - apparently a much later > development, likely the early > > >> '30's. Almost certainly a North American > innovation; Marbury (1890) > > >> shows no flies of this type, nor do any of my > salmon fly books prior to > > >> the '40's. Schwiebert states Darbee but > Messenger (Irresistible) also > > >> laid claim. My best info would suggest Darbee's > Bastard series circa > > >> 1934, BUT, he (Darbee) suggests that these are > an amalgam of bass and > > >> trout flies, therefore, it suggests that > hair-spinning for bass flies > > >> preceded his patterns. If anyone has other > references I'd be very > > >> interested. > > >> > > >> wind a hackle collar - ancient likely, but > certainly medieval. > > >> > > >> cheers > > >> Paul > > >> > > >> DonO wrote: > > >> Who tied the first 'dry fly' ?- intentionally > to stay afloat. > > >> Who tied the first hair-wing flies? > > >> Who tied the first streamer fly? > > >> Who was the first to spin deer hair? > > >> Who was the first to wind a hackle collar? > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Paul Marriner > > >> Outdoor Writing & Photography. Owner: Gale's > End Press. Member: OWAA & > > >> OWC. Author of: A Compendium of Canadian Fly > Patterns (co-author), > > >> Stillwater Fly Fishing: Tools & Tactics, How to > Choose & Use Fly-tying > > >> Thread, Modern Atlantic Salmon Flies, Miramichi > River Journal, Ausable > > >> River Journal, and Atlantic Salmon. > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > >> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: > 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: > > >> 9/29/2006 > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
