Chuck, totally nothin' wrong with wantin' some cake, AND wantin' to eat it as well. Trust me, it's nice, lol. Bob Dylan sang all about it many years ago, in the 60's. I've got a great fly for you, if you wanna catch both trout and gills on it, and i spoose if you tye it large enough, it'd undoubtedly catch a hell of a bass as well. You might have to look around a bit to find snowshoe rabbitt feet big enough for the job though. But i bet they are out there, for real. The fly is The Usual invented bt Fran betters of the Adirondacks in upstarte N.Y. Frannie is a living legend up there and, he also created the Haystack series, (of which was copied and refined by Caucci and Nastasi) to become the Compara(dun) series, and the Ausable Wulff, etc. Anyway, the Usual is nothing but Snowshoe Rabbitt gaurd hairs for the tail and wing, and the underfur for the body. Do the wing first, run the
thread down to, and do, the tail, then dub you way back up...throwing a bit of dubbing in front of the wing on your way to whip finishing. Make sure (again) to get alllllll the underfur out of the hair before you do your wing and tail. Use some of it for the body along with softer stuff found other places on the foot. Never, i say NEVER use floatant on this fly. It'll ruin it's ability to be fishied in all the varieities(sp?) of ways it can be. Dead drift like a dry, pulled underneath and made to act as a popper, sunk with split shoot, or waterlogged and fished in the surface film as an emerger. GREAT fly and VERY versitile. Makes a great "One Fly" tournamnet fly. Tye them in natural and or green (for G. Drakes), olive (for Olives), yellow (for Sulphers), Grey or blue Grey (for Duns, or Slate Drakes), orange or orange/brown (for March Browns) , pink/grey (for
Hendricksons), brown (for B. Drakes) etc., etc....... Cool Aid makes a pretty good dye, make sure you get/use it without the sugar, lol. Longer the hair, the bigger fly you can tye. So look around a bit before making a purchase. When you do find the right feets, lol..... make sure you break the toes off and apart from the rest of the foot. You can get better results by working with the individuall toes, than by trying to work off the entire foot. Gives you more/better/easier access to the longer gaurd hairs. Have fun. mark..... p.s. please excuse any typos........runnin' late, as always
From: "Chuck Alexander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [VFB] Bass and Bluegills on the same fly question???
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:29:24 -0600
>Daphne: Thanks.. I have their catalog.. I'll check it out, Chuck
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Daphne Forster"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 8:44 AM
>Subject: Re: [VFB] Bass and Bluegills on the same fly question???
>
>
>>Chuck,
>>
>>I get the Netcraft catalog, and i think they show a picture of all
>>the sizes of that hook. My copy for the year has not come yet, but
>>when I get it i can send you a picture of the page with those hooks
>>on it. i can put a coin next to them to show the size if that will
>>help at all. also, you could order a box of the size you were
>>interested in to see for yourself.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Daphne
>>
>>Chuck Alexander wrote:
>>>Daphne: Thanks for the link.. Maybe I can find out there if, say,
>>>a #30 is a #30 LOL.. as in TINY... Chuck
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Daphne Forster"
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: <[email protected]>
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:15 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [VFB] Bass and Bluegills on the same fly question???
>>>
>>>
>>>>Chuck,
>>>>
>>>>that's all the info i was able to find on the Netcraft web site,
>>>>and I'm pretty sure that the picture is not an actual size
>>>>drawing. Here's a link to the page with the hook on it.
>>>>http://www.jannsnetcraft.com/central-draught-hooks/810746.aspx
>>>>they have the hook form a #22 to a #34.
>>>>
>>>>Daphne
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chuck Alexander wrote:
>>>>>Daphne: Thanks, but that still don't show me a "relative" size
>>>>>for this hook.. Is it an actual "size 30"??? which would be
>>>>>about 1/8" long, or less??? Or does this company have a
>>>>>different numbering system?? Thanks, Chuck
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Daphne Forster"
>>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>To: <[email protected]>
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:41 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [VFB] Bass and Bluegills on the same fly
>>>>>question???
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>here's the hook from the Netcraft catalog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>AD 3777 CENTRAL DRAUGHT HOOK Catalog # 810746
>>>>>>Live minnow hook. A good choice when fishing for panfish,
>>>>>>perch. Ringed eye, bronzed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.jannsnetcraft.com/Sources/GetImage.axd?own=NC&imageid=97109
>>>>>>
>>>>>>daphne
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>>>>Cuck/Joe:
>>>>>>> Here's a Sneaky Pete tied on a Size 30 Mustad 3777.
>>>>>>>http://www.flytyingforum.com/uploads/thumb_gallery45aee15abc790.jpg
>>>>>>> This is the one I mentioned in my post.
>>>>>>> Here's one tied on a size 34 Mustad 3777. You can see the
>>>>>>>hook better in this one.
>>>>>>>http://www.flytyingforum.com/uploads/thumb_gallery45aee266573be.jpg
>>>>>>> I think the hook is sold mainly in Europe as a live bait
>>>>>>>hook.
>>>>>>> Jerry C
>>>>>>>"All things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia."
>>>>>>>In a message dated 1/16/2007 22:52:12 PM Eastern Standard
>>>>>>>Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jerry -
>>>>>>> How about a pic?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Joe Fusco, Sr.
>>>>>>> Member of The Missouri Trout Fishermen's Association and
>>>>>>>The
>>>>>>> Virtual Fly Box
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> REMEMBER CANCER IS A WORD NOT A SENTENCE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*
>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a message dated 1/16/2007 1:33:15 AM Eastern
>>>>>>>Standard Time,
>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Folks: I had a fly rod as a teen, and fly fished
>>>>>>>a little
>>>>>>> with my Uncle, but the last two season have been
>>>>>>>what I
>>>>>>> call my "first and second real seasons" And, I
>>>>>>> concentrated on flies for bluegills, cause I like
>>>>>>>to catch
>>>>>>> a lot of fish... But, now I want to catch some
>>>>>>>big fish as
>>>>>>> well, so I am trying some of the bass flies..Now,
>>>>>>>the last
>>>>>>> two years, i caught an occasional largemouth on
>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>> bluegill flies... But, can you tie flies that
>>>>>>>will catch
>>>>>>> both equally (or nearly equally) as well??? Or, ,
>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>> example.. i tied most of my flies on size 10-16
>>>>>>>hooks..
>>>>>>> And, the bass flies are tied mostly on size 6 and
>>>>>>> bigger... So, could I tie a bass bug, or clouser
>>>>>>>minnow ,
>>>>>>> etc ect, in a size that is in between the 6 and
>>>>>>>the 10 and
>>>>>>> catch both???? I guess you could say I want to
>>>>>>>"have my
>>>>>>> cake and eat it too" LOL..Oh, and if so, which
>>>>>>>are some
>>>>>>> good patterns??? Thanks, Chuck
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck:
>>>>>>> I use a Sneaky Pete style slider that catches
>>>>>>>both bass
>>>>>>> and sunfish. It's tied on a size 30 Mustad 3777. The
>>>>>>>only
>>>>>>> Mustad I've ever used that's sharp right out of the
>>>>>>>box. Now
>>>>>>> don't let the size throw you off. I just checked and
>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>> close to a size 4. The fly itself is about 2 inches
>>>>>>>long with
>>>>>>> legs and tail and works equally well in catching the
>>>>>>>bluegill,
>>>>>>> green, pumpkinseed, rock bass, smallmouth and
>>>>>>>largemouth in
>>>>>>> the local creek I fish. I tie in Flo Yellow, White,
>>>>>>>Black and
>>>>>>> Fire Tiger and Orange Tiger with the Flo Yellow the
>>>>>>>most
>>>>>>> effective.
>>>>>>> Jerry C
>>>>>>> "All things considered, I'd rather be in
>>>>>>>Philadelphia."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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