Well, the second part (how one should judge the potential optimization) typically has been avoided in video standardization and so far there seems to be little willingness to work on the development of a metric or a set of metrics that can be used to determine how "optimizable" a codec or tool is. It would actually be good if people at the IETF can develop such a metric.
Also, keep in mind that the incremental development of a codec means that prior decisions limit what can be done with tools proposed later in the process. Mohammed On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Harald Alvestrand <[email protected]> wrote: > On 03/20/2015 01:41 AM, Thomas Daede wrote: > > On 03/19/2015 05:17 PM, Keith Winstein wrote: > >> But what are the merits of an IETF working group performing this kind of > >> high-risk, high-reward research, versus doing something much more boring > >> like "writing a specification for VP9 to enable interoperable > >> implementations, and then iterating on that technology"? > > If VP9 could be shown to meet our requirements for performance and > > licensing, I would be supportive of that path. However, I don't believe > > that it currently does. > > > > In the testing draft, while I specified methods of testing codecs, I did > > not specify an absolute performance goal. We will need to set one. Opus > > achieved state-of-the-art performance, which was highly beneficial to > > its adoption. VP9 does not achieve this yet. > > Just as a matter of curiosity, which state of the art performance is it > that you think VP9 hasn't achieved yet? > > I also wonder a bit about how we should treat evaluation of performance > - a traditional video codec development technique has been to develop a > codec that takes hours-per-second to encode a video, and then seek to > optimize it by a factor of a hundred before shipping it. But sometimes, > there's just limits to how much one can achieve. > > How should we treat that aspect in evaluation? > > > _______________________________________________ > video-codec mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/video-codec > -- Mohammed Raad, PhD. Partner RAADTECH CONSULTING P.O. Box 113 Warrawong NSW 2502 Australia Phone: +61 414451478 Email: [email protected]
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