I would say we go with “competitive (in the sense of having comparable or better performance)”
I don’t think choosing different words in this charter is going to have much effect on liaison relationships one way or the other. Alissa On May 13, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Eric, > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Eric Rescorla <[email protected]> wrote: > I can live with any of these. > > As can I. I can live with no change, but another SDO has already sent us a > love note about the charter asking why we hate them because we want to > compete with them, quoting the word "competitive". > > Anything that makes liaison relationships settle down seems helpful. > > Just trying to get to yes. > > Speaking for me, you've got that. I balloted Yes without holding out for the > change :-) > > Spencer > > -Ekr > > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Mo Zanaty (mzanaty) <[email protected]> > wrote: > Comparable and competitive express the same goal with slightly different > connotations. Comparable sounds more neutral / objective. Neither express > “outperform” as Keith suggests. There was indeed BoF discussion around the > desire to “outperform”, but no consensus to require this in the charter, > hence “competitive”. > > I prefer “Has comparable performance”, just to avoid any misinterpretation or > connotation of “Is competitive”. But I don’t think either language will > really matter all that much. Concerns in other SDOs are unlikely to be > alleviated with any charter language. > > Mo > > On 5/13/15, 9:31 AM, Eric Rescorla <[email protected]> wrote: > > I honestly don't care about this, but how about "having competitive > performance" > > -Ekr > > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 6:29 AM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) > <[email protected]> wrote: > I do not believe that we do mean the same. > > This got a little discussion in the BOF, but I see liitle point in developing > a codec where the only selling point is a claimed royalty free, something > that can never be guaranteed. > > Therefore I certainly would like to see the aim of development to be > something that is in some aspect better, and thus competitive, rather than > just the same, as in comparable. Maybe we can find another word, but I am > unhappy with comparable. > > Keith > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: video-codec [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of Mo Zanaty (mzanaty) > > Sent: 13 May 2015 13:21 > > To: Spencer Dawkins > > Cc: [email protected]; The IESG > > Subject: Re: [video-codec] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on > > charter-ietf-netvc-00-03: (with COMMENT) > > > > I support removing "competitive" to avoid any > > misinterpretation. Since we mean "comparable", we should just > > say so directly rather than parenthetically. > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > On May 13, 2015, at 1:38 AM, Spencer Dawkins > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for > > charter-ietf-netvc-00-03: Yes > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and > > reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. > > (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-netvc/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I don't know if the cat is too far out of the bag for this to > > matter, but > > > > > > "1. Is competitive (in the sense of having comparable > > performance) with current video codecs in widespread use." > > > > has already piqued the interest of our dear friends at > > another SDO. Is it possible to pick a less interesting word > > than "competitive" here and elsewhere in the charter? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > video-codec mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/video-codec > > > > _______________________________________________ > > video-codec mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/video-codec > > > _______________________________________________ > video-codec mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/video-codec > > >
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