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Steve Watkins said: "I better stop nattering about this subject now, sorry if I've
posted
too much today."
Steve,when there is
quality, there is never too much quantity. Never feel you are/have said
too much. I'm sure I speak for many others here when I tell you that your
posts are among the most valuable here.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 3:58
PM
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: To Eric Rice
/ Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format
Your points are good and true.
Unless its just
their website being out of date, that openvision link
you sent, that stuff
isnt the first to be truly opensourced either as
far as Im concerned,
becaause it hasnt happened yet. One of my big
points was the difference
between saying something will be opensource,
and actually releasing the
code. Up until the moment they actually
clean the code up and release it,
theres always the opportuunity for
them to change their minds.
I
know ourmedia released the sourcecode for a version of the uploader,
but I
hadnt noticed any drupal modules, but maybe Im out of date
again. I
know it wouldnt take all that much time for developers to
create similar
features/modifications themselves, but its back to my
reinventing the wheel
point again.
From where Im sitting at least half the genius and value
of these
tools is in the design of user interface and the features they
offer,
and the clever ways the developers join different bits of
technology
together in imaginitive ways. Im extremely greatful to everyone
who
contributed to this stuff in any way, whether or not they ever
release
any code.
Its all sharing, I just want to see just how far
peoples inclination
to share will go, and true opensource is pushing it to
the max. If
people think they'l be shooting themselves in the foot by
going
opensource, dont do it.
I better stop nattering about this
subject now, sorry if Ive posted
too much today.
Steve of Elbows
--- In [email protected], Michael
Sullivan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> this is the first media
aggregator to be truly open sourced:
> http://openvision.tv/home/home.html
>
> give it some more time, and you will see many more come out as
'yet
another
> media aggregator' similar to p2p apps.
>
> also, as far as I know, ourmedia code is avail... uses drupal and
some
> modules that are in the drupal cvs repository.
> if not, i
imagine if a serious developer requested some code, they
would get
>
it from ourmedia dev. truthfully, nothing on ourmedia is so uniqie
that you
> wouldnt be able to find code elsewhere that can do the same thing.
>
> mefeedia,vlogdir,vimeo,vided and others all take advantage
of
opensource
> software.... which is glued together with some
custom code to make
it work
> as the developers want it to. again,
if serious developers were to
inquire
> and form a relationship,
likely they would get access to sample code
> etcetera... Ro has not
been around, but he is very open to helping
in such
> ways.... he
helped build mefeedia and his vlog minis etc.
> ffmpeg is used often.
for instance, mefeedia's thumbnail generator
uses it
> as does
vimeo. its not a secret.
> i dont think fireant intends to release
code.... nor should they if
they
> plan to work out business
strategies.
> vlogmap is just working off the open google API. anyone
can do the same
> thing if they wish.
>
> code that makes
the most sense to release are frameworks where
developers
> can
build modules for and offer custom solutions and
consulting/support to
> businesses.
>
> sull
>
> On 9/8/05, Steve
Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I was
specifically referring to software and services made
> > specifically
for videobloggers. ourmedia, fireant, mefeedia, vlogmap
> > would be
examples of the sorts of things I mean.
> >
> > Now its
certainly true that it doesnt make much sense for some of
> > these
services to be opensource, at least on face value. And I have no
> >
problem if designers/coders decide to keep their code to themselves. I
>
> am not trying to be negative about any of the services given as
>
> examples above, nor demanding anything from them. They already give
us
> > plenty for free.
> >
> > I am really just
comparing the reality with what some people
> > originally said,
trying to make a broader point about peoples ideal
> > principals vs
the reality of what happens.
> >
> > Anyway the reasons I
can think of why it would be useful for more some
> > videoblogging
web-based services and softwares to be opensource are
> > things
like:
> >
> > 1) Duplication of services, thus not putting
all our eggs in one
> > basket. Ourmedia good. Ourmedia sourcecode so
others can setup similar
> > services easily (but not with
archive.org <http://archive.org>
hosting) =
>
> even better. + If
> > the original developers disappear, the
product isnt dead.
> >
> > 2) Less reinventing of the
wheel. Leading to hopefully more global
> > human development hours
spent on new and improved features, rather
> > than different people
having to start from scratch every time.
> >
> > 3)
Spreading the word about videoblogging
> >
> > If the
motive is purely to make videoblogging grow and be accessible
> > and
reliable for as many people as possible, why not make it easy for
> >
developers to add videoblogging features to their own products? Its
>
> for this reason that, even though I said a while ago that I would
>
> understand if fireant wasnt going to be opensource after all, I
cant
> > help but be a little disappointed. See from my perspective I
just want
> > there to be as many videoblog aggregators around as
possible, and
> > making it easy for developers to add such stuff by
providing
> > sourcecode, might help.
> >
> > None
of this matters if there arent the developers out there to make
> >
use of opensource, so my stuff is theoretical in places, and Im not
>
> demanding or even necessarily asking anybody to change their
policy,
> > just thinking out loud really.
> >
> >
Steve of Elbows
> >
> > --- In
[email protected], "Jake Ludington"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> > > Are you referring
specifically to hosting services or to the
> > software used
>
> > to edit
> >
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups
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