On 30 Dec 2005, at 22:34, Enric wrote:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael MeiserDo yourself a favour and Visit my Vlog
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 25, 2005, at 3:07 PM, Enric wrote:
> > Yes, I see the future as untethered where our knowledge, interaction
> > and work follows our activity. A scenario of this: We can be at home
> > in the business room working on a product, paying bills, and notice a
> > interesting vlog episode. Mark that vlog episode to take along -- it
> > goes onto a portable device along with work objects to be completed
> > tagged to take with us. We take the portable device and call a friend
> > through it that we're meeting at a cafe saying we're on our way. On
> > the way we listen to a podcast on an technical subject we want to
> > understand. We get to the cafe early and enjoy watching, linking from
> > and commenting on vlogs until our friend arrives.
> >
> > -- Enric
> > -======-
> > http://www.cirne.com
> > Determine Media
>
>
> My only comment is I've found over time that I've deconstructed my
> work day... my routine... and rebuilt it... now I don't work at the
> desk because I have to I do it but because I find working on certain
> things at certain times of the day at my desk are enjoyable... and
> likewise I sometimes go out to the coffee shop not because I need a
> cofee but because I find certain things are best for best for doing
> in a coffee shop... and going to "work" and sitting behind a desk or
> at a conference table has it's advantages for doing certain
> things.... You might say a conference table has an obvious
> advantage... but perhaps it's not about the people at all... perhaps
> it's about the opportunity to spread everything out on a table and
> shuffle it around and re org it or work while having papers laid out
> in a geographic mind map... on a side note I used to love going onto
> the stock exchange floors, not that I did it much... but because it
> was the most immersive and informational space imagineable. Chaos
> could be raining down and hell and bromstone and you'd ask a trader
> the price on september corn and their eyes would subconsciously
> twitch to a certain geographic location for corn information in the
> 3D information space and a split second after you gave him the
> thought he'd spit it back out... not are we very visual beings our
> memories are incredibly spacial... some people might also point out
> the effect of smell on memory...
>
Yes, our computational time is very slow compared to computers since
we use a electronic & chemical method of computation. But biological
brains make up for this by being massively parrellel. The visual,
aural, logical, memory, etc. areas of the brain are simulataneously
operating and feeding on each other. The parrellel inputs and outputs
make for an exponential in activity. It's what is significant in the
internet in the computer being the network. It's just the connections
on the net don't work well yet.
>
> Perhaps this doesn't come across well... but what I'm getting at is
> that tools such as my laptop, cell phone, ipod now video ipod... have
> given my a certain fluidity of space and time... it's allowed me to
> break down the traditional demands and boundries and while I initialy
> perhaps slumped into chaos I found that I like new time and space
> relationships for new different reasons.... it gave me new
> appreciation for them. It gave my life more fluidity... less rigity
> and eventually more zen.... just as long as people don't come walking
> in and making immediate demands on me... or ringing phones... It's
> all part of my "engage at will theory"...
I see the problem in not being able to store where you last where when
interrupted. If you could place the current thought process into a
digital helper as a bookmark and come back to the best bookmark you
want now, the interruption is mostly solved. There are paths most
effective if left uninterrupted. But work can often be better
accomplished through interrupted activity (as you referenced the stock
exchange.)
>
> The key to productivity and eternal bliss is in interactions with not
> only more upside potential than down... but with the space to and
> balance that you can engage the world... not it engage you... this
> goes for listening to the mp3 player on the train... or taking a
> video ipod with you to the DMV... or yahoo groups... or IM...
> everything has a natural purpose and place and the sooner we stop
> trying to put everything in a box... and just let it be a little
> messy the quicker we learn what state things are best in... like
> leaving the relatives in Nevada. :)
Boxing, linear, static modes are antiquited and dying...
>
> Of course my time still leans toward seeming anarchy... but it's
> incredibly productive and enjoyable.
Noise, diversity and mutations are necessary for resiliant, deap signals.
>
> Oh... and enric... I see that vision as being able to work anywhere
> and anytime and when stumbling on media... of any sort... a photo, an
> mp3, a video... being able to from your work computer, home computer
> laptop... with a couple quick clicks direct that media to whatever
> device or devices you want it on... For example... your friend points
> out a cool mp3 remix... with a few clicks it's in a personal user
> feed on it's way to your mp3 player wherever the hell it is... at
> home... in your car... whenever it next comes in contact with a
> network the media flows right on...
>
> ...or perhaps you get a picture from your sister in law of your
> niece... perhaps a whole gallery of photos via email... a few clicks
> and there on the way to your TV as a screen saver... or some digital
> picture frame or thing a ma-bober... your wife will catch them and
> that'll make her smile...
>
> ...or you heard on the NPR morning podcast on the subway/drive in
> that that harry potter 77 1/3 came out and you know "your kids" have
> been dying to see the harry potter the 4th in his third year and
> so... a few simple clicks and you know it'll be on the Tivo when
> later as a suprise if they get their homework done... your kids can
> enjoy it.
>
> Perhaps you've got a couple minutes to spare on your lunch break and
> don't want to think about work... so you flip open your cell phone
> and pop your bluetooth headset in your ear and right there is a list
> of all sorts of audio podcasts and video podcasts from all your
> favorite friends in the vlogosphere that your subscribed to and so
> you just scroll through them scanning around... the latest are at the
> top...it's like your email inbox but for media too... you just skim
> it... pick out a nice clip from your brother labeled jen's birthday
> and you pop it open and smile a good smile before heading back to work.
>
> The point is I dug your vision enric... but perhaps the media is not
> tied to the devices... it flows ubiquitously between them... to arive
> at the proper place and time... the network doesn't need to be always
> on... things don't always need to cache.. nor does 100% of the
> finding, choosing and decision need to be made "on demand"... we set
> up a space where kismet can happen... or perhaps that's not the
> term... but happy coincidences...
>
> I think one of the primary retard ideas right now is that people will
> a) find and watch cool videos on their cell phone... or b) they'll
> find cool vlogs on their Tivo (perhaps that was never the plan)...
> you might even say c) that they'll come into a vlog directory or
> podcast directory and find what they're looking for...
>
> Part of what makes open media great is that it finds us... out there
> in the day to day when we're doing whatever it is we do all day...
> what we need are mechanisms for harvesting those little aha moments
> and sparks of ideas and intuitions and impulsively organizing them
> right into our calendar book... (Those sparks of ideas and intuitions
> being elements of media.) So that when we need them or have the time
> and space for them there there to be meet us.
>
> With that impulsive and fluid of a market money will likely flow...
> because it sure beats creating a todo list and heading down to the
> old store/rental or getting the pretty disks in the mail in three
> days... not to mention it's much more personal media... not just
> blockbusters...
>
> So... oh... retarded. Retarded = trying to build a better cell phone
> for finding videos... let the damn cell phone be the stupid dummy
> terminal it was meant to be... open it up to not just your "premium
> content" but allow services to filter content... to flow naturally to
> the device from the web as people see fit. Cell phone carriers are
> not the next mig media network they think they are... they are in
> fact the next big "little media market" that they never thought there
> was. We make way more sense on cell phones than big media ever did.
>
> Anyway they're just future scenarios... probably have gaping holes...
> which is why it's so fun to share them... please poke holes in them
> and make your own fine swiss cheese.
>
> -Mike
>
>
> Michael Meiser
> http://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuff
> http://mmeiser.com/backchannel - del.icio.us link blog
> http://evilvlog.com - Serious lunacy has a new domain.
> http://mefeedia.com - I love mefeedia!
>
>
Funny, I don't disagree.
;)
Enric
-===-
http://www.cirne.com
Determine Media
Reality is my co-pilot
>
> >
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On 12/24/05, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't think Tivo is Television. Classical television cannot not be
> >> automaticaly stored, retrieved, scanned and viewed out of order (this
> >> can be manually performmed with programming recorders -- but just
> >> about anything can be put into a manual process.) So I think this is
> >> an intermediate medium to Blogging. I'd call it a Tivo medium with
> >> the iPod containing similar capacity. It lacks the full two way
> >> interaction of Blogs, but contains the automatic storage, scanning
> >> and
> >> retrieval capability.
> >
> >
> >
> > Actually... I've found that playing back video blogs on the TV can
> be quite
> > the two way experience. Now, I'm using my iPod, BUT I suppose a Tivo
> might
> > work just as well. What makes it work is having a parrellel queue... a
> > landing page where by you can follow along as you wish. Also a
> remote for
> > your ipod or tivo comes in handy, of course for skipping, pausing,
> > restarting or rewinding. Here's an example workflow we set up with
> > mefeedia... First mefeedia automatically creates for you a web based
> > browseable queue as it has from the start... but now it also
> provides for
> > you a single personal RSS feed that directly parrallels that queue.
> The RSS
> > feed hence goes to your Fireant, iTunes/ipod or perhaps in the
> future tivo
> > or Akimbo as they start to better support vlogs... Basically you can
> > instantly pull up your watch page on your laptop and jump to any
> post your
> > watching on TV. Since the order of video playback and videos in your
> queue
> > roughly correspond it's easy to follow along.. That said... I don't
> > normally follow along for EVERY vlog post... In fact I mostly
> "passively"
> > watch video... then when something catches my interest I jump to my
> queue
> > and follow up on it by tagging it, favoriting it for future
> > reference or
> > commenting... of course there are other options like re-vlogging,
> but you
> > get the idea.
> >
> > Case in point the other day I was watching all manner of G4Tech TV and
> > rocketboom and mobuzz and Steve Garfields vlog soup came on... In it
> were
> > perhaps 8 new vlogs, 3 of which based on steve's review I found VERY
> > interesting. While it played I pulled up mefeedia did quick quiries
> based on
> > the vlog names from steve, browsed and previewed them and added them
> to my
> > video queue. All simultaneously while videos continued to play,
> except for a
> > brief period where I had to rewind a little to catch the spelling on
> one of
> > the vlog names.
> >
> > Now this is not saying this will work for everyone... However I find
> that
> > the passive TV experience and the active experience of using a
> laptop is a
> > very powerful combination... not nearly so interactive as one might
> think...
> > but it does depend on some sort of easy to get at landing page with
> which
> > you can follow along, the laptop or a computer set up withing viewing
> > proximity of TV, and some sort of RSS capable device. t's just one of
> > thousands of "workflow scenarios". Workflow scenarios are my thing
> I guess
> > these day... I find it extremely interesting the way vloggers watch
> vlogs...
> > do they use mefeedia, ant, itunes, the ipod.... do they watch
> online, or
> > offline, how often do they comment, tag, revlog, favorite... what
> > other
> > "actions" do they like to perform while vlogging? Everyone's
> experience is
> > completely different and they're all VERY legitimat... This is
> exactly why I
> > hate streaming media, DRM. and other closed systems... they
> fundamentally
> > endoctrinate workflows that are wholey incompatible with some of the
> > tremendous ways we can use media... it's not just that you HAVE to
> > watch
> > google's videos in the web browser experience only.... but that you
> can't
> > create a playlist, you can't comment, you can't play it offline...
> you can't
> > put it on your tivo... you can't format shift it so it'll work on
> linux, or
> > the PSP. In fact that's a good point... in order to simply play a
> > DVD on
> > linux you STILL have to install software that breaks the law. This
> is not
> > about the copyright holders rights or law... it's the reality of
> > media.
> >
> > Mark my words the future of media is open and portable... because the
> > benifits to media being "sociable" are just to great and problems of
> such
> > "technological controls" and even "technological implimentation of
> law" are
> > to high. I may bave said all this before... but DRM may exist in the
> corners
> > of the network... but the CENTER of the network, and indeed the vast
> > majority of it will be open, because well you can't be the center of
> crap if
> > you're a walled garden.
> >
> > So, this is how little things are affected by BIG issues.... It's
> that this
> > media is open that gives us the accessibility to create usable
> experiences
> > like this one simple workflow I've talked about. That said there
> > are two
> > things that I see that need improving.
> >
> > 1) someone needs to create a plugin for iTunes using their API that
> > automatically rips all non-drm podcast videos to mp4's and deletes the
> > original... while retaining all meta information. I think FireAnt is
> also
> > working on such functionality for use with the ipod and PSP... And
> indeed
> > that's a great way to handle format incompatibilities... but there are
> > others too... which I'm not going to get into because I'd have to
> kill you
> > all. ;) LOL!
> >
> > 2) we need more portable media playback devices that are network
> connected
> > like the tivo, the akimbo... the PSP has the potential but is not
> there yet.
> > And then there's the fabled "networked ipod". These devices will
> aggregate
> > videos directly using RSS without the need to sync with a
> computer... using
> > services like mefeedia so that they don't have to be configured
> directly to
> > add new feeds or queue new videos. So the next time I'm watching Steve
> > Garfields vlog Soup and decide to add a new feed the videos will
> > automatically start downloading to the device so I can be watching
> them on
> > my TV in minutes.
> >
> > In the future I may see a movie on the web that I want to watch
> while I'm at
> > work and purchase it and have it on my TV when I get home ready to
> watch.
> > Think of it as Netflix... but when you add something to your queue...
> > well... let's just say our delivery mechanism is "slightly" more
> efficient.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > -- Enric
> >> -======-
> >> http://www.cirne.com
> >> Determine Media
> >>
> >> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We're speaking past eachother, I think. There are two kinds of
> >>> "videoblogging" - for the sake of the argument we can call one
> >>> videoblogging and the other video podcasting.
> >>>
> >>> The first includes aspects of the blog. It's a remediation of the
> >> blog and
> >>> tv (among others). Think McLuhan. The latter is a transparent
> >> remediation
> >>> of tv. It's faithful to tv.
> >>>
> >>> The difference is easiest to see in reading patterns. Videoblogging
> >> are
> >>> read like blogs, they are small pieces loosely joined (by the
> >> reader). The
> >>> latter is read like tv, one at the time. Seperated, passively.
> >>>
> >>> Read this for an intermission <URL:
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vlog/archives/2005/12/24/tv-killed-
> voggings-star/
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> When I say embedded video gives the best reading experience for web
> >> video,
> >>> I am talking about videoblogging. A blog entry is *not* the frames
> >> that
> >>> make up the video. It is also the surrounding blog post, the
> >> comments, the
> >>> title, the sidebar, the entire network around it (inbound and
> outbound
> >>> links). That is what makes blogging different from old media.
> When you
> >>> take the video and move it to an iPod it may be the same frames, but
> >> it is
> >>> not the same Work - it is the same video, but a new media and
> >> different
> >>> content.
> >>>
> >>> I make videoblogging, and my personaly interest is videoblogging.
> >> Content
> >>> that works well in a videoblogging setting is different from content
> >> that
> >>> works well in a video podcasting setting. Just as there is content
> >> which
> >>> works better on tv than in radio (a boxing match comes to mind).
> >> Thinking
> >>> they're the same is naive.
> >>>
> >>> - Andreas
> >>>
> >>> PS. Did evilvlog begin censoring itself?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:33:34 +0100, Michael Meiser
> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Andreas, I understand your perspective, and respect and find your
> >>>> methods interesting, but there's thousands and thousands of people
> >>>> who disagree with your idea of best practices.
> >>>>
> >>>> Alternatively... I think getting all my vlogs automatically
> >>>> downloaded and synced to my video ipod is the best thing ever. I
> >>>> watch them on my TV while working on my laptop, and through
> mefeedia
> >>>> am able to easily work, or if I see something interesting...
> quickly
> >>>> find the original post and follow up on it. The disconnect that I
> >>>> thought would happen do to putting videos on TV has NOT
> happened in
> >>>> fact... I find i can comment and follow more vlogs. If I miss
> >>>> something I just hit the pause button or rewind on the iPod...
> if I
> >>>> am bored with a clip I skip it... All the while I can follow
> along
> >>>> on mefeedia on my laptop... tagging things, marking favorites...
> >>>> following up on links from Steve G.'s Vlog soup.. or rocketboom's
> >>>> links. All we need to do in my opinion is make it even easier to
> >>>> follow along through mefeedia with what's happening on the TV by
> >>>> improving our web based queue and our RSS queue which plays back
> >>>> through the video ipod.
> >>>>
> >>>> Finally, I also like embedded flash for in browser play back, as
> >>>> probably does Jay.. that's not the problem... the problem is when
> >>>> there is NO alternative link. It drives me up the wall. How can I
> >>>> download it... how can I rip it to my ipod, how can I share it
> with a
> >>>> friend... No this sort of flash playback is not going away... but
> >>>> video blogging is at least putting a serious dampner on DRM'd and
> >>>> locked down files like this and encouraging more openess and
> >>>> portability... which means more flexibility, increased
> accessibility,
> >>>> and enhanced useability.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Mike
> >>>>
> >>>> On Dec 23, 2005, at 5:49 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:42:08 +0100, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> i wonder if these Embedded Flash players will last?
> >>>>> i obviously keep seeing aggregated video as being the way to go.
> >>>>> all the video i watch ive downloaded through
> subscription....not gone
> >>>>> to web pages to watch Flash videos.
> >>>>
> >>>> Embedded video is the best viewing experience for web video. It
> >> won't go
> >>>> away. For blog entries that mixes video with other forms (text,
> >> images)
> >>>> embedded video is much nicer. And it actually fits into the web
> >> context.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've never downloaded a video through subscription. I will start
> >> once I
> >>>> find videos I watch like a watch tv... passively. When I find
> videos
> >>>> where
> >>>> I don't want to (or can't) be a part of a dialogue around the
> videos.
> >>>>
> >>>> I use RSS to be notified if a blog has updated. It's great for
> that.
> >>>>
> >>>> - Andreas
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> <URL:http://www.solitude.dk/>
> >>> Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
SPONSORED LINKS
Individual
Fireant
Typepad
Use
YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
▪ Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.
▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
http://pjkproductions.blogspot.com
It's worth a laugh and work friendly.
