Would I be splitting hairs if I asked about what the difference is between targeting vloggers and targeting people want to publish shit?
Hmm. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > YouTube is not targeting vloggers. > That's the first thing to keep in mind. > The service achieves its goals without the 'blog' component. > Vloggers should simply understand that it is not the best suited service for > the vlog medium. > Of course, if one doesnt care either way... then that's the end of that. If > you do care, then all the points Verdi brings up should be comprehended. > > Why do people use it? It's pretty easy to do and many dont care about terms > or any of the other issues. > Or, it is a temporary solution or even just for experimenting. > > As for others uploading video that is not theirs to upload.... YouTube is > protected, but you may go after the user who did upload your media and work > with them etcetera.... > YouTube should provide an easy way to be a mediator is such situations and > offer to remove any such media within a fair time frame.... and at least > reply to parties within a few business days. > > B. You shall be solely responsible for your own User Submissions and the > > consequences of posting or publishing them. In connection with User > > Submissions, you affirm, represent and/or warrant that: (i) you own, or have > > the necessary licenses, rights, consents, and permissions to use and > > authorize YouTube to use, all patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or > > other proprietary rights in and to any and all User Submissions to enable > > inclusion and use of the User Submissions in the manner contemplated by the > > Website and these Terms of Service; > > > > Regarding aggregators.... yes and is why all people who want to syndicate > vodcasts must understand that they need to make available other downloadable > formats in addition to using flash video for the web (blog). > We all can agree that this is a very good aproach to take... VSocial works > this way.... and as Bill pointed out earlier today, he is doing this so he > can continue to encode higher quality videos for syndicating but lower > quality/size videos (flv) for the web audience... with the nice result of > assuring all of the web audience will be able to play the video, as flash > player is just about always installed on client side. > > Many people will use desktop aggregators.... especially other vloggers and > heavy subscribers. I think we'll also see many within the general Internet > Video audience who will just use the web and/or email. > > sull > > On 1/24/06, Michael Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I don't know the YouTube people and I don't have anything against them > > personally, but I wish they would change some things about their service. So > > I'm writing this in the hope that it will generate some back and forth > > conversation that they might consider. I'm also writing this to try to > > understand where people who use YouTube are coming from because Ryanne and I > > are starting to talk about changes and updates to Freevlog and we get lots > > of "new vlog" emails pointing to YouTube user pages or Blogger blogs full of > > YouTube video. > > > > So my basic issues with the service as it is right now are: > > 1. The Terms of Use. Specifically, "For clarity, you shall retain all of > > your ownership rights in your User Submissions. However, by submitting the > > User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, > > non-exclusive, fully paid-up, royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual, > > sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, > > prepare derivative works of, display, perform and otherwise exploit the User > > Submissions in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its > > successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and > > redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivative works > > thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels." The way I > > read that is you are giving them the right to do whatever they want with > > your work - even profit from it or licensce it to someone else - without > > necessarily including you in the deal. Am I misinterpreting this? > > > > 2. The other issue I have with YouTube is that videos don't work in an > > aggregator like FireAnt. I think this is a really important issue. As we get > > more and more vlog content online and as more people become comfortable > > using RSS, aggregators will (they are this for me now) be the primary way of > > interacting with videoblogs for many people. > > > > Personally I would also like to see that logo disappear from everyone's > > video and for the videos to work on mobile devices but they're not > > dealbreakers. > > > > If YouTube allowed you to select a license - copyright, creative commons, > > whatever - and they respected it and if the videos would work in an > > aggregator we could quit discouraging people from using it. In the end I > > don't care where people host their media I just wonder why people are > > choosing YouTube given these issues. So for you YouTube users out there, why > > do you use it? I know some people like Bill (Lo-Fi STL) were using it as a > > free Flash transcoder while still offering a quicktime download link and an > > RSS feed. I can get that. What about others? Is it that you didn't know > > about the issues I bring up? 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