Good to know. I think I'm using VideoLan on my Mac at home. I think. (I may just be using VLC right now; I forget.)
Harold
On 4/5/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,
Or you could suggest to your uses that they install VideoLAN -- http://www.videolan.org/
(VideoLan supports playing Ogg Theora, as well as almost every other video format.)
(There actually already seems to be quite a large install base for this already. So there's probably more people who can watch Ogg Theora movies than you expect.)
See ya
On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:Hello Harold,
Just another point (that I forgot to mention before). If you want to support Ogg Theora video, but are worried that browsers won't support it, you could always use the Free and open source applet that plays it. You can get more info here:
(It's akin to the Flash video player people are using. But works with Ogg Theora.)
See ya
On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:Hello,
If you implement the MPEG4 standard then you have to pay someone a "tax" to use it. Specifically, you have to pay these guys:
MPEG4 is NOT an "open standard".
See ya
On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MPEG4 an open source format? Or is
that open standard? (Or both?)
Harold
On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Currently, I don't think there is one defacto standard video format.
> There's a whole set of formats that are currently being used:
>
> MPEG
> WMV
> QuickTime (.mov)
> M4V (iPod)
> MP4 (MPEG4)
> FLV (Flash Video)
> RM (Real Media)
> Xivd
> Ogg Theora
> Most vlogs I go to regularly support around 4 of these formats.
>
> Everyone seems to be trying to support as much as possible to get the widest
> possible audience.
>
> Honestly, I think it's early enough in the game where we can influence and
> perhaps even determine which format will become the defacto standard.
>
> As soon as you get enough browsers/players reading it, and get enough free
> (and maybe non-free) vlog hosting providers producing it, it will become the
> defacto standard.
>
>
>
> See ya
>
> On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Charles,
> >
> > This is the first I've heard of Ogg Theora, and I am *into* open
> > source; that is, I run Linux on a PC and on an old Powerbook at home,
> > though I can't say I use it every day (or even every week or month,
> > for that matter). I have my doubts that Ogg Theora will become the de
> > facto standard; I mean, look at Ogg Vorbis. How many of you (reading
> > this) even know what Ogg Vorbis is?
> >
> > You're perhaps right, however, about one format or another becoming
> > the de facto standard in the future. Look at what happened with
> > Flash; now you'll find it installed in nearly every browser out there.
> > And though I admire your idealism about Ogg and its future, which
> > format do you think is the *current* de facto standard?
> >
> > Thanks for your feedback,
> > Harold
> >
> > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I think the only way to really make all (or most) browsers support one
> > > standard video format is to force them.
> > >
> > > Basically, we do this by making a single video format the defacto
> standard.
> > > In other words, all of us vloggers just start using one video format,
> and
> > > eventually, the browser makers will feel compelled to support that
> format.
> > >
> > > Now, this doesn't mean that we don't support other formats. It just
> means
> > > that as a baseline we always support that one video format.
> > >
> > > (My vote is for Ogg Theora to be the defacto standard for the reasons I
> > > previously mentioned.)
> > >
> > >
> > > If you want an example of this working.... Just look at RSS. It's now
> being
> > > supported by all the browsers because it was a defacto standard. I.e.,
> the
> > > browsers added support for RSS because everyone was using it.
> > >
> > >
> > > See ya
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/4/06, Harold Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I wish there was a format that played great online on most browsers
> (which
> > > would still be IE, unfortunately) and played just as well on the video
> iPod
> > > and the Creative Zen Vision:M device...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Harold
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/4/06, Enric < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 3ivx creates mp4 with AAC that's compatible with quicktime 6 & 7,
> iPod
> > > > > and I suspect also the PSP player. It also looks quite good with
> dual
> > > > > pass encoding.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Enric
> > > > > -======-
> > > > > http://www.cirne.com
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected] , "Harold Johnson"
> > > > >
> > > > > < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your response, Enric. How in particular do you fing
> 3ivx
> > > > > > fits the criteria?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Harold
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/4/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > 3ivx...though I haven't tried iton PSP, it fits the other
> criteria.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- Enric
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Peter Van Dijck"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <petervandijck@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I want an answer too. I suspect it's a certain encoding for
> mp4.
> > > > > > > Something
> > > > > > > > that plays on older quicktime installs. And on the video iPod
> > > (and
> > > > > > > the PSP
> > > > > > > > if possible).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 4/4/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <supercanadian@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > IMO, it's Ogg Theora.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You can see why here:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> http://maketelevision.com/log/why_ogg_theora_matters_for_internet_tv
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > See ya
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 4/3/06, Harold Johnson < harold.johnson@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Okay, I suspect this one has probably been debated a
> > > gazillion
> > > > > > > > > > mazillion times, but I'm going to introduce the topic
> > > > > anyway: At
> > > > > > > this point
> > > > > > > > > > in time, what do you think is the best overall digital
> video
> > > > > > > format for
> > > > > > > > > > videoblogging?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > thanks,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Harold
[...]
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supercanadian @ gmail.com
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