they support graphic elements. And I find the Ogg Theora codec
interesting. I just wish it had the market penetration that some of
the other video codecs had. Do you know of anyone who is posting or
producing regular video content in this codec? I would like to see how
it looks. Maybe native support for a codec like this could be put on a
wish list for a future version of Firefox. That might help create a
greater market for it. But I'm all for a good open standard for
internet video delivery.
Bill Streeter
LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
www.lofistl.com
--- In [email protected], "Charles Iliya Krempeaux"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello John,
>
> Honestly, I'd rather see browsers (and other software) support video
> natively. (The same way that, for example, PNG's are supported
natively and
> do NOT require a plug-in to be viewed.) And have it so all you need
is to
> use a <video> element to embed videos... like the how HTML <img> element
> embeds images. (SMIL already has a <video> element.)
>
>
> I like Flash. (And I really don't want to get into a heated debate
> but,....) (Although alot of people can....) Not everyone can view
Flash.
> And (more importantly) Flash isn't an "open format" (like HTML, XML,
PNG,
> Ogg Vorbis, Ogg Theora, etc) that everyone has the freedom to
implement and
> do whatever they want with.
>
> Flash is a proprietary format owned by Adobe/Macromedia. And
> Adobe/Macromedia restricts what can and can't be done with their
free/gratis
> Flash player. Not to mention Adobe/Macromedia seems to be the only ones
> allowed to create server side software for Flash... for example, the
RTMP
> protocol is completely closed and proprietary... and it's yet to be
seen if
> Adobe/Macromedia would invoke the DMCA against anyone who reverse
engineered
> it.
>
> But having said all that, I do think it is acceptable to have Flash
as one
> of many different options of watching a vlog. But it should NOT be
the only
> one. You have to have a way for completely Free access to vlogs and
> Internet TV. (There should NOT be a "tax" on vlogs and Internet TV.)
>
> Please, refer to this for something related:
> http://maketelevision.com/log/why_ogg_theora_matters_for_internet_tv
>
>
> See ya
>
> On 4/21/06, John Dowdell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > [ FYI: This thread was started as a response to another
conversation, in
> > the "What's The Perfect Vlogging Software?" thread. This means
that the
> > new topic will be invisible to those whose emailer follows threading
> > conventions, and made the archive misthreaded too:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/39116
> > Hitting "New" for new conversations and pasting in the Yahoo Groups
> > mailing address is cleaner than hitting "Reply" to start a new
> > discussion, thanks in advance. ]
> >
> >
> > Nathan Miller asked for help in understanding this incoming message::
> > >> Hey Nathan, do you realise you've got ActiveX employed
> > >> on your Web site? It's causing these really annoying
> > >> pop-up messages to appear in my browser every time I
> > >> access your page. I use IE 6. Can you do something
> > >> about this?
> >
> > Not knowing the literal alert the person saw makes it hard for any
of us
> > to be definitive.
> >
> > If this person is using Microsoft Internet Explorer for Windows, then
> > they are by definition using ActiveX Controls to render some of their
> > content.
> >
> > I visited your site in Firefox/WinXP, and also saw alerts. I have an
> > older version of QuickTime installed, but did not have the codecs
> > necessary to view that QT content. Here's what's going on:
> >
> > When someone visits your video page in a plugin-using browser
(Mozilla,
> > Safari, Opera, others) then the server identifies the media type
of this
> > extended content via the MIME type abbreviations. The browser then
> > checks which plugins it has that can display this video type, invokes
> > the plugin, and displays the content. In Microsoft's Window
browser, the
> > OBJECT tag identifies the ActiveX Control which the designer wants to
> > use (via the CLSID), and identifies any minimum version (via the
> > CODEBASE argument).
> >
> > In both cases, the browser will throw up an alert if the plugin or
> > control is not installed. IE/Win will also do a version check, and
will
> > also do a background-download of the necessary Control. Some plugins
> > (such as QuickTime, I believe) will also throw up their own alert
if the
> > renderer is too old to render more modern content.
> >
> > Bottom line: If your visitor's browser cannot yet render your content,
> > they will see an alert, and the browser will try to guide them to an
> > updated browser extension, in either Netscape Plugin or ActiveX
wrapper.
> >
> >
> > What to do? This person will be seeing lots of similar alerts in
> > IE/Win... it's not solely your responsibility. Your *site* doesn't use
> > ActiveX so much as his *browser* uses ActiveX, and your site tries to
> > accommodate their choice.
> >
> > How to minimize? This is self-serving of me, admitted, but it's
easiest
> > to use video in the Adobe Flash video architecture. More people have
> > this browser extension than any other, and more people have the
current
> > version than have the current versions of any other WWW technology.
> >
> > This will not eliminate all browser-incapability alerts, but will
reduce
> > them greatly... in its first three months over 50% of consumers tested
> > had already updated to Flash Player 8, so the odds are much better
that
> > your audience will not see any update alerts.
> >
> >
> > Sorry I took so long, but I hope the above background helps figure out
> > what they're objecting to. (And like other folks in this thread, I
don't
> > see any connection to the "Eolas" behavior change in IE/Win... only
> > commonality seems to be the word "ActiveX" in the title.)
> >
> > jd
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA
> > Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd
> > Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna
> > Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/
> > Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
>
> charles @ reptile.ca
> supercanadian @ gmail.com
>
> developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/
>
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