Hey Charles, That was a great explanation - thanks for doing that! I'm just not making the connection to backing things up - isn't it all important? If I'm backing up my site, don't I want to back it all up? -Verdi
On 11/16/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Harold, > > You are correct that (technically) Semantic HTML is part of the semantic > web. (However... just to avoid confusion I should say... when many many > people talk about the Semantic Web, they are talking about RDF. I am NOT > talking about RDF. I'm talking about a part of the semantic web that has > nothing to do with RDF... just Semantic HTML.) > > The first thing to realize is that Semantic HTML is just regular HTML. > > You're just making use of features that were always there. (You might > already be using them and not even know you are writing Semantic HTML.) > > And BTW... "semantics" is just a fancy word for "meaning". If I were to > ask, "what are the semantics of this?"... I would be asking, "what does > this > mean?" > > So.... here's some Semantic HTML you are already probably familiar > with.... > > You can specify that a thing is a paragraph with the <p> element. So for > example... > > <p> > This is a paragraph. Simple, eh?! > </p> > > (Anyone who has ever written something like that has written Semantic > HTML.) > > Also, if you are quoting something, you can use the <blockquote> element > or > the <q> element. For example... > > <p> > John said, <q>hello Jane</q>. > </p> > > If you want to add a bit more semantics, you could specify where John said > that. Imagine if he said it online, maybe in a chat session or something, > and there is a log of it at "http://example.com/chatlog/123";, then we > could > write... > > <p> > John said, <q cite="http://example.com/chatlog/123";>hello Jane</q>. > </p> > > There are ALOT more HTML elements that give all sorts of semantics. I > won't > enumerate them all, but hopefully that gives you some idea of it. > > So.... having said that... what if there is no HTML element to express > what > you are trying to say? What then? > > Well, HTML has a way of dealing with this. HTML provides the "class" > attribute for this. For example, what if we wanted an HTML element to > specify an "article". There's no <article> element. So we could do > something like this... > > <div class="article"> > Blah blah blah. > </div> > > (<div> and <span> are kind of "blank' elements. They're useful when you > want to kind of to make your own HTML elements.) > > Now... some people might be thinking, "wait... the class attribute is only > for styling". I used to think that myself. Well, it is true that the > "class" attribute can be used for styling. BUT... it can be used for > adding > semantics too -- for adding meaning too. It's in the HTML spec!... and > many > people use it that way. (That's part of what the Microformats thing is all > about.) > > And here's an example that appears on ALOT of webpages (according to a > Google report)... > > <div class="footer"> > Blah blah blah. > </div> > > Many many many people on the web specify the "footer" like that (because > there is no <footer> element). > > Here's another example that's a bit more complex. What if I wanted an > element that I could use to specify PHP code. Well, there's the <code> > element. But that doesn't say it is PHP code. However, I could do > something like the following... > > <code class="php">$x = file_get_contents("http://example.com/it.html > ");</code> > > Here I used an existing non-blank HTML element and added a class name to > it > to specify the semantics I wanted. > > (That's kind of the basics of Semantic HTML. If I didn't explain things > well enough and it's still a bit unclear... let me know and I can explain > it > more.) > > So.... getting back to our vlogging stuff. We'd need to either use > existing > HTML elements or use HTML class names to give "meaning" -- to give > "semantics" -- to vlog posts. > > Things like: the title, the summary, the video(s), the thumnails, etc etc. > > Basically we'd need to figure out what existing HTML elements people could > use and pick some class names for things where we need a bit more > semantics > than HTML provides already. > > That way a machines... like backup software... could find all the > important > stuff. > > Did I explain that well enough? > > On 11/15/06, Harold Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<harold.johnson%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > I don't know anything about Semantic HTML, nor the Semantic Web (which > > I'm assuming is related; please correct me if I'm wrong), but this > > *sounds* like a really good thing. Still, do you mind explaining it a > > bit more, or pointing in the direction of more info.? Perhaps doing > > so will generate more interest and besides, wouldn't want you to go to > > all the trouble unless I (or anyone else) really knows what you're > > talking about... > > > > Harold > > Sniffing around Wikipedia > > for more on Semantic HTML... > > http://somethingthathappened.com > > > > > > On 11/15/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]<supercanadian%40gmail.com> > <supercanadian%40gmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > You know, another way of backing up the system in a "good way" would > be > > if > > > you used some Semantic HTML in your Blogger template. (I believe that > it > > > would be actually pretty simple to do if you put them into your > > template. > > > So you template would automagically do this for you.) > > > > > > So... for example, in the HTML code (using HTML "class" names or > > something) > > > you could mark what the title is, what the body is, what the video is, > > what > > > the thumbnail is, etc etc. > > > > > > And then you could have some software that automatically runs and > backs > > up > > > your stuff. (Basically just scrapping it off the website without > needing > > > access to the database.) > > > > > > Actually... I could write the software pretty easily. So... if any one > > is > > > interested... we could come up with a way of adding Semantic HTML to > > vlog > > > posts. And I could write software for people to use to backup their > > stuff. > > > (It would be pretty easy actually.) > > > > > > Let me know if anyone is interesting. > > > > > > > > > See ya > > > > > > On 11/15/06, Harold Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<harold.johnson%40gmail.com> > <harold.johnson%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I've done the Blogger -> WordPress migration a couple of times, with > > > > mixed > > > > results. Apparently, recent versions of WordPress (2.0 and above) > > provide > > > > better methods for migrating from Blogger. I've yet to make the > > decision > > > > to > > > > do so with somethingthathappened.com yet, though... > > > > > > > > Harold > > > > > > > > On 11/15/06, Eric Skiff <[EMAIL > > > > PROTECTED]<glitchcast%40gmail.com><glitchcast% > 40gmail.com><glitchcast% > > 40gmail.com>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately, SFTP backup of stuff at blogger (if you have access > > to > > > > > it) > > > > > wouldn't back up the info in the database (IE, all your blog > > entries) as > > > > > far > > > > > as I understand it. With wget, you'd at least get the text of your > > > > > entries, > > > > > but you'd have to re-enter all of that into whatever software you > > > > > transition > > > > > to. > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure there are some blogger -> wordpress conversion > > tools, > > > > but > > > > > I > > > > > don't know too much about them. > > > > > > > > > > Is anyone here a blogger guru? What are your options for > extracting > > your > > > > > entries for backup or import elsewhere? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > -E > > > > > > > > > > On 11/15/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <supercanadian%40gmail.com> <supercanadian% > 40gmail.com><supercanadian% > > 40gmail.com> > > > > <supercanadian%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Harold, > > > > > > > > > > > > "scp" and "sftp" would be better (for backup purposes) than > "wget" > > or > > > > > > "curl", since they get the actual server-side files. > > > > > > > > > > > > The main thing is to make it automatic though. > > > > > > > > > > > > (So if you've got automatic backups going with "scp" or "sftp" > > > > > already... > > > > > > then that's better.) > > > > > > > > > > > > See ya > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/14/06, Harold Johnson > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <harold.johnson%40gmail.com> < > harold.johnson%40gmail.com><harold.johnson% > > 40gmail.com> > > > > <harold.johnson%40gmail.com> > > > > > <harold.johnson%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm all over wget and curl, Charles -- though I always forget > > how to > > > > > use > > > > > > > them! (And for some strange reason man is not working on my OS > X > > > > > system > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > you know, the 'man' command?) Does those commands do a better > > backup > > > > > job > > > > > > > than using something like sftp or scp? Since I sometimes > forget > > how > > > > to > > > > > > use > > > > > > > command line tools, I often turn to whatever's available in > the > > GUI > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > For example, there's a great open source (free) SFTP and SCP > > program > > > > > > > called > > > > > > > Fugu that I used for my most recent backup job; it's based on > > the > > > > sftp > > > > > > and > > > > > > > scp commands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harold > > > > > > > http://videoharold.com > > > > > > > What were the options > > > > > > > for that command again? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/14/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <supercanadian%40gmail.com> <supercanadian% > 40gmail.com><supercanadian% > > 40gmail.com> > > > > <supercanadian%40gmail.com> > > > > > <supercanadian%40gmail.com> > > > > > > <supercanadian%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Harold, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're comfortable using command line tools, you could > use > > > > "wget" > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > "curl" to backup your site. (Although that would only get > > static > > > > > > files, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not server side scripts... but if you site is Blogger based, > > then > > > > > that > > > > > > > > shouldn't really be a problem.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See ya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/14/06, Harold Johnson > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <harold.johnson%40gmail.com> < > harold.johnson%40gmail.com><harold.johnson% > > 40gmail.com> > > > > <harold.johnson%40gmail.com> > > > > > <harold.johnson%40gmail.com> > > > > > > <harold.johnson%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > <harold.johnson%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Backup everything first, Gena. Then you won't have to > worry > > > > about > > > > > > > > > switching over to the new(er) Blogger. (Yeah, I know -- > it's > > > > > easier > > > > > > > > > said than done. I can hardly get myself to backup > anything.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harold > > > > > > > > > http://videoharold.com > > > > > > > > > Backin' it up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/13/06, Gena < > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > <compumavengal%40earthlink.net><compumavengal%40earthlink.net> > > <compumavengal%40earthlink.net> > > > > <compumavengal%40earthlink.net> > > > > > <compumavengal%40earthlink.net> > > > > > > <compumavengal%40earthlink.net> > > > > > > > <compumavengal%40earthlink.net> > > > > > > > > <compumavengal%40earthlink.net>> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I had problems posting tonight. I had just uploaded a > > bunch of > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > > and got a couple of error messages. I was locked into > > reload > > > > > index > > > > > > > > > > mode for about 10 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been holding off on switching to the new Blogger. > But > > it > > > > > > might > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to make the leap. I just don't like doing the first > > > > > > generation > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > new software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naw that ain't it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moving. All that stuff. If I lose something it is gone. > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, not cool but inevitable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But not today, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gena > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > http://pcclibtech.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Newbies, additional vlogging help resource > > > > > > > > > > http://voxmedia.org/wiki/Video > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > [email protected] > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroup > > > > > > s.com>, > > > > > > > > > "missbhavens1969" > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I know, I know: you get what you don't pay for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But it doesn't mean I have to like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bekah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charles @ reptile.ca > > > > > > > > supercanadian @ gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ <http://changelog.ca/ > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Cars, Motorcycles, Trucks, and Racing... > > http://tirebiterz.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. > > > > > > > > > > > > charles @ reptile.ca > > > > > > supercanadian @ gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Cars, Motorcycles, Trucks, and Racing... http://tirebiterz.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Eric Skiff > > > > > Nonprofit Web & Database Admin, Consultant, > > > > > Podcaster, Pinko Marketer > > > > > 718-809-8692 > > > > > > > > > > Blog : http://GlitchNYC.com > > > > > Podcast : http://AlternativeMusicShow.com > > > > > Puppets!: http://FeltUpTV.com > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. > > > > > > charles @ reptile.ca > > > supercanadian @ gmail.com > > > > > > developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Cars, Motorcycles, Trucks, and Racing... http://tirebiterz.com/ > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. > > charles @ reptile.ca > supercanadian @ gmail.com > > developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ > __________________________________________________________ > Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ > > __________________________________________________________ > Cars, Motorcycles, Trucks, and Racing... http://tirebiterz.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- http://michaelverdi.com Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org & http://node101.org Community Capitalism: http://havemoneywillvlog.com Machinima: http://whenwewererobots.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
