The Onion is a classic example of a big site using Drupal. The site is currently in the top 2000 sites on Alexa's traffic ranking. http://www.theonion.com/
More Drupal sites are listed here... http://www.drupalsites.net/ By no means do I universally recommend Drupal, however, it is a very good option for those stuck between Blogger/WordPress and building a custom system. As mentioned before, Joomla is another option. Not sure what you are suggesting Mike, other than don't use Drupal. Do you not like CMSes, or are you suggesting custom systems? If a person has the programming skills to build a custom system, I highly recommend they at least look at Drupal first. Rather than building systems from the ground up for each project, Drupal provides a common foundation with a lot of module functionality. The CCK and Views modules make things very fast, flexible and easy. Themeing and adding new modules is probably the biggest hurdle, but it is very flexible once you get past the learning curve. Anyways, this is all just a suggestion. Personally, I don't like Joomla. It may be more visually appealing out-of-the-box, but the code framework is messy compared to Drupal. Feel free to email me offlist if you want to talk more. -Matt http://vlogmap.org --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Van Dijck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "I can think of -- off the top of my head -- at least five > projects that either failed or were significantly damaged because of > their choice of Drupal as their CMS" > > I can think of 3 that I know of personally. So yes, "Drupal considered > dangerous for startups" is probably a fair warning. But it's not really > meant for startups. Or it shouldn't be. I also know of a few social sites > that use it successfully and have loads of users. But they've been around, > they are not startups really. > > Peter > > On 12/6/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Yeah, it was uncharacteristicallyharsh, it's true. But I stand by my > > statement. I can think of -- off the top of my head -- at least five > > projects that either failed or were significantly damaged because of > > their choice of Drupal as their CMS. Drupal looks great. It looks like > > it has everything that you need to start a significantly powerful social > > Web site out of the box, and it looks like it's significantly extensible > > such that you can add new functionality easily. It even looks like it > > scales. > > > > Well, the features that it does have were designed by software > > developers without end users in mind. Its code is poorly documented > > spaghetti that has gotten more programmers into trouble (and nasty > > back-end rats nests of code bases) than I care to count. And it doesn't > > scale. I've had more than a couple late-night beer-fueled sessions > > where CTOs and directors of development cry on my shoulder about their > > decisions to use Drupal. > > > > So, like I say, I think we'd be better off without it. Drupal is like a > > Siren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren). > > > > Yours, > > > > Mike > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of sull > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:19 PM > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > lol. > > > i suppose, yeah. > > > kinda harsh, even if you're not a fan of drupal. > > > if you dont use it or like it, no harm done. many people do > > > like it and > > > *know* how to use it well. > > > better to have it exist than not ;) > > > > > > sull > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mike%40blip.tv>> wrote: > > > > > > > > You ask because you think that's a crzy thing to say? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > < videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>> > > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> < > > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>> > > > > Sent: Tue Dec 05 21:05:49 2006 > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > are you at a bar drinking beers? > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mike%40blip.tv><mike%40blip.tv>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The sooner Drupal goes away the better off we all are. > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups. > > > > > > com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <groups-yahoo-com%40mmeiser.com> > > > > > > <groups-yahoo-com%40mmeiser.com><groups-yahoo-com%40mmeiser.com> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:33 PM > > > > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > > > > > I like the idea, but wouldn't it serve vloggers on the > > > whole more > > > > > > if it was an addition to wordpress. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, isn't ourmedia running on drupal. Certainly having rich > > > > > > media feeds from ourmedia would be pretty damn cool as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm torn. Everything needs to do mediaRSS. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > > > mefeedia.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mike%40blip.tv> > > > <mike%40blip.tv><mike%40blip.tv>> wrote: > > > > > > > We would very happily support such a project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two ways you could go about it: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Base it on something like Wordpress, so that everyone can > > > > > > install it > > > > > > > themselves (but this means that everyone would have to find > > > > > > hosting, > > > > > > > install it themselves, et cetera). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or you could base it on Wordpress-MU, and we could > > > offer hosting > > > > > > > services for it over at blip. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For whatever it's worth, we're moving towards offering much > > > > > > > better show pages on blip that could potentially fit many > > > > > > > people's > > > > > > needs for > > > > > > > a Web presence. That's the idea, anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > <videoblogging%40yahoogro > > > > > > > > ups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Rick Rey > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:42 PM > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We really need a vlog-based CMS. Really, as in > > > really really. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it came from this community, all the better. My choice > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > to partner with a hosting provider (Blip) and integrate > > > > > > with their > > > > > > > > services. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we already know how it would work, what it would > > > > > > look like, > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Joshua Kinberg > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <jkinberg%40gmail.com> > > <jkinberg%40gmail.com><jkinberg%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not use HaveMoneyWillVlog to raise funds for this > > > > > > > > > development effort? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or create a new HMWV style project for development... > > > > > > > > "VlogDevBounty" > > > > > > > > > anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Steve Watkins > > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <steve%40dvmachine.com> > > <steve%40dvmachine.com><steve%40dvmachin > > > > > > > > > e.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <steve%40dvmachine.com>> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Id love to help out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway I'll start to talk about it here although I agree > > > > > > > > that more > > > > > > > > > > detailed discussions probably belong elsewhere. Is there > > > > > > > > somewhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we can go to talk about this in more detail on the > > > > > > web? Should > > > > > > > > > > we talk about it on drupal forums or is there better > > > > > > > > > > alternatives or reasons not to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I havent tried Drupal 5 beta yet. I plan to install it > > > > > > > > > > soon (been testing 4.7 previously). From > > > memory, the video > > > > > > > > > > module > > > > > > > > isnt part of > > > > > > > > > > the core is it? So I guess its not really beneficial to > > > > > > > > > > have mediaRSS as part of the core unless video is too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see the video module is being updated quite a lot > > > > > > > > recently, seems > > > > > > > > > > like automatic thumbnails and other stuff got added in > > > > > > > > November, by > > > > > > > > > > the looks of CSV messges: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://drupal.org/project/cvs/25274 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So anyways I was ondering if you will be working with > > > > > > whoever is > > > > > > > > > > currently maintaining the video module, that sort of > > > > > > > > thing. I am not > > > > > > > > > > a very good programmer so Idoubt I can be too > > > much direct > > > > > > > > help, but > > > > > > > > > > I can do testing & give technical feedback. I have some > > > > > > > > funds that > > > > > > > > > > would probably translate to $200 US available > > > to help the > > > > > > > > cause, if > > > > > > > > > > its actually of use. Is there some sort of channel for > > > > > > > > > > drual sponsored projects or is it just simply paying > > > > > > > > > > directly > > > > > > > > whoever is > > > > > > > > > > willing (eg you by the sounds of it, groovy), > > > to dedicate > > > > > > > > some time to the work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both my own future blog/vlog site, and some other > > > > > > > > projects, are on > > > > > > > > > > infinite hold waiting for me to do a drupal > > > site properly > > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > features I know I want. Drupal has come quite a > > > long way, > > > > > > > > > > esp the video module, and Im confident Drupal with the > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > modules can do > > > > > > > > > > 80% of what I need right now. Further improvements to > > > > > > > > video & feed > > > > > > > > > > features are something I care enough about to > > > contribute > > > > > > > > > > to financially, so may actually have more money than > > > > > > stated above > > > > > > > > > > available if this stuff starts to fly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are also weirder things Id like to do if a few > > > > > > > > other existing > > > > > > > > > > modules did just a bit more, and knew about eachother a > > > > > > > > little more. > > > > > > > > > > I see google map and timeline modules, and it makes me > > > > > > > > wonder about > > > > > > > > > > mashing them together with video content uploaded to the > > > > > > > > site, and > > > > > > > > > > having odd new ways to see peoples videos mapped to time > > > > > > > > and space. > > > > > > > > > > It might be a dud idea for all I know, but until I > > > > > > see it I wont > > > > > > > > > > know if its a failure, and I dont qutie have the skills > > > > > > > > to make it happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve of Elbows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups. > > > > > > > > > > com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > "Matt Savarino" > > > > > > > > > > <leanbackvids@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure sponsoring a G would improve the chance of > > > > > > > > adding mRSS to > > > > > > > > > > > the Drupal core (version 5.0), which is still in beta. > > > > > > > > After the > > > > > > > > > > > final release, all changes to the core modules will be > > > > > > > > part of the > > > > > > > > > > > next version. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, mRSS would be easy to add alongside > > > an existing > > > > > > > > > > > Drupal > > > > > > > > > site... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You could create a new module that generates your > > > > > > mRSS file(s) > > > > > > > > > > > upon each node add/edit, or better yet, just run it > > > > > > > > every hour w/ > > > > > > > > > > > the cron function built into the module. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If others are interested in Drupal, I'd love to talk > > > > > > > > more with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm going to start building add-on modules > > > for version 5... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggregator: > > > > > > > > > > > - full support for enclosures, mRSS and geoRSS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > video: > > > > > > > > > > > - improve add/edit form > > > > > > > > > > > - expand mime-types (currently m4v not used w/ QT) > > > > > > > > > > > - expand services (add myspace video, tagworld, etc) > > > > > > > > > > > - add iTunes feed (w/ customized options like > > > > > > > > > > > Feedburner) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Email me offlist if you'd like to help out or > > > have other > > > > > > > > > > > feature > > > > > > > > > > requests. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Matt > > > > > > > > > > > http://vlogmap.org > > > > > > > > > > > http://ridertech.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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