It does to a certain point, but it's not as serious a disruption as it looks like. Apple has lost out on network subsidies that would have made the price of their phone competetive, and a network is always free to tell a handset producer to go take a hike. Sure, you can still produce the handset, but the networks can choose to not sell it at their stores, market it, advertise it, or support it, and they control pricing power significantly.
I'll take the small disruption, though. -- Rhett. http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >All I know is Apple sure got Cingular to take a huge leap of faith >with the iPhone. > >Depending on how the SDK pans out for the iphone it could be the most >open mobile platform to date. > >It really disrupts the business model all cellular carriers have been >pursuing with complete control over their network and anything >connected too it. > >-Mike > >On 1/10/07, J. Rhett Aultman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>I didn't think you were ignorant. Sorry if I gave you that impression. >>I was just not understanding why Jobs is touting Cingular...which is >>basically because they played ball with his company...so I was noting >>the business dog-and-pony show. >> >>Really...sorry. I was just out to point out that it's a dog and pony >>show with no compelling technological reason. Sorry a third time. >> >>-- >>Rhett. >>http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime >> >>francisco_daum wrote: >> >> >> >>>Rhett- >>> >>>I wasn't ignorant of the fact the iPhone is going to be available in >>>June using Cingular. My point is that it's great the iPhone will be >>>introduced, and in 2000, Cingular was considered the new kid on the >>>block. Sprint shareholders were told Cingular was nothing to worry about >>>because they paid way too much for them to operate a mobile network, >>>did not have the Synchronous Optical Network Sprint had, and was using >>>in between technology at the time when Sprint PCS was all CDMA. On top >>>of all that Sprint told me its "pipes and tubes" were operating at >>>around 15% capacity because expansion was built in. >>> >>>Which brings in to mind that when these telcos start chipping away at >>>Net Neutrality, the bean counters have to look into the actual load >>>these networks (built with our taxes) are handling. I believe telcos >>>are just hoarding capacity. >>> >>>I wasn't ignorant of the fact the iPhone is going to be on Cingular; >>>for a young company compared to Sprint, they've got more to gain. Also >>>Apple not making a strictly widescreen iPod to me looks like a way to >>>get more people to use OS X (which I thoroughly enjoy for anything >>>media over Windows and Linux). So let me repeat I wasn't ignorant of >>>the fact the iPhone is going to be on Cingular. Ok? :) >>> >>>Francisco Daum >>>franciscodaum.com >>>franciscodaum.blogspot.com >>> >>> >>>--- In [email protected], "J. Rhett Aultman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>First off, he's touting Cingular because Apple signed a deal with >>>>Cingular. There need be no reason above that. Business partners stand >>>>up for each other. Secondly, he's touting Cingular because Cingular is >>>>the biggest of the US networks, so it made sense to strike on that >>>>iron. Finally, he's touting Cingular because Cingular did Apple a lot >>>>of favors when it came to developing the iPhone, so he's happy to have >>>>found people to work with. >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Rhett. >>>>http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime >>>> >>>>francisco_daum wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>When I was a Tech I for Sprint in 2001, the biggest selling point was >>>>>the dominance of its fiber optic backbone, from "Tier I all the way up >>>>>to Tier III". Sprint boasted having the mostest and the fastest OC-96 >>>>>fiber. Network capacity was below 15%. Cingular was laughed at because >>>>>it wasn't CDMA (Sprint wireless is strictly CDMA, except for roaming). >>>>>Cingular was paying the highest for its customers as far as air >>>>>rights, nothing to worry about. Today I'm a puzzled how Steve Jobs was >>>>>touting Cingular. >>>>>Francisco >>>>>franciscodaum.blogspot.com >>>>> >>>>>--- In [email protected], "Mike Meiser" >>>>><groups-yahoo-com@> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>The wimax is coming. And with it broadband communications. >>>>>> >>>>>>An actual firm date, by the end of this year. It's no longer just >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>vaporware. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>*Sprint Nextel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>Corp.*<http://kansascity.bizjournals.com/kansascity/gen/Sprint_Nextel_Corp_38D9B727DAD54EBE929378498D672ECA.html>said >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Monday that will launch its WiMax wireless broadband service in Chicago >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>and Washington by year's end. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The wireless giant (NYSE: S), which began showing off products >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>that use >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>WiMax technology on Monday at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>Vegas, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>has committed to spending $800 million this year and $1.5 billion >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>to $2 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>billion next year on the new WiMax network. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The company said in a release Monday that early products that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>will use >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>WiMax include mobile PCs and personal media players by *Samsung >>>>>>>Electronics >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>Co.*<http://kansascity.bizjournals.com/kansascity/gen/Samsung_Electronics_Co_0410697D58D74FAAA93930587D6236B6.html>and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>an infotainment device by >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>*LG Electronics >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>Inc.*<http://kansascity.bizjournals.com/kansascity/gen/LG_Electronics_Inc_605CE10EFDA940E4B937F76CC1234CE2.html> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>WiMax will allow devices to connect to the Internet at cable >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>modem-like >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>speeds wirelessly, in coverage areas similar to wireless phone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>service. An >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>MP3 player with WiMax capability, for example, would allow music >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>downloads >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>on the go. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The WiMax network is expected to reach 100 million people by the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>end of >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>2008. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Wimax'ed networked mp3 players very interesting. >>>>>> >>>>>>After today's iPhone announcement with it's cellular and wifi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>capabilites >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I'm going to repeat my hair brained theories about direct to device >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>audio >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>and video podcast aggregation. >>>>>> >>>>>>Also of note. >>>>>> >>>>>>Nokia joins Sprint Nextel WiMax team >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>http://sanantonio.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2007/01/01/daily29.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>Nokia, the world's biggest wireless-phone maker, will provide >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>equipment, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>including handsets and tablet computers, and do co-marketing for >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>the planned >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>WiMax network. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Sprint says it may spend as much as $800 million developing its >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>fourth >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>generation, or 4G wireless network, this year and as much as $2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>billion next >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>year. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The company (NYSE: S) is developing the high-speed wireless >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>network using >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>the spectrum frequencies it owns. It says the WiMax network could >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>cover at >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>least 100 million potential users by the end of 2008. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Another good article on the Sprint Wimax network from Ars Technica >>>>>>http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070109-8582.html >>>>>> >>>>>>And a related article on Nokia's newly updated N93i >>>>>>http://www.mobilised.com.au/content/view/737/1/ >>>>>> >>>>>>Some choice quotes... >>>>>> >>>>>>Nokia has done a deal with Vox, the personal video and photo blogging >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>service from Six Apart <http://www.sixapart.com/>. Depending on your >>>>>>>country the phone may come pre-configured to use the service. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>With Vox users can share full size photo and video content with >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>enforceable >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>privacy controls. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>[...] >>>>>> >>>>>>"With devices such as the Nokia N93i, we believe that video can >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>become a >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>similar kind of mass market phenomenon as mobile photography has >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>become," >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>said Satu Ehrnrooth, head of Nokia Nseries Cameras Category, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>Multimedia, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>Nokia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"The slim and beautiful Nokia N93i is the ideal device for >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>user-created >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>video content, as i is a connected digital camcorder that is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>always with >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>you. You can even instantly upload video clips in their original size >>>>>>>directly from the device to online blogs or video communities. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>With the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>Nokia N93i, sharing your stories is now as easy as recording and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>viewing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>them." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>It may be pretty early but videoblogging and video sharing are >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>definitely >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>going to move beyond the desktop sooner or later... it's starting. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Call it >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>the mobile web or whatever you like. It's coming via wifi, wimax, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>and/or >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>wirless. One way or the other. >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm still waiting for blip to make an mobile compatible service that >>>>>>automatically adds on an intro segment of your choice creating >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>titling from >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>your mobile email's subject line, slapping on a nice outro and cross >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>posting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>it to your blog with the body copy. >>>>>> >>>>>>Peace, >>>>>> >>>>>>-Mike >>>>>>mefeedia.com >>>>>>mmeiser.com/blog >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >
