Mike, I think the point of a UMPC is to replace your laptop, eventually. I mean, for $800 - $1200 you'll be able to buy a UMPC that really does come close to doing that. I agree, having Word or Excel in your pocket is only useful in transferring docs from one point to another and any thumb drive can do that. However, I actually have an excel spreadsheet that I keep on my palm that I use 2-3 times per week (lists names/contact info of people I need when I'm on the go), so perhaps there is a slight usefulness therein.
A real UMPC is like a mini Tablet PC and there's a real need for that. However, the N800 lacks a lot to be called a real UMPC. I wish I knew more about the camera capabilities of these devices. I covet a device I could use as a camera that could run Premiere for editing on the fly. I know the N93 allows for shooting and editing, but is the quality great or merely good and does that really matter anyway? I have to admit that the fact that I could drop a UMPC in my purse factors a bit in my covetousness. Robyn From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Meiser Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:49 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone Robyn and Tim, You're blowing me away with your crazy knowledge of these devices. I bow to your superiority on the subject. For mine is merely anecdotal. That said, without my superior technical knowlege of the n770 and n800, indeed without having ever used them I have this observation. We are SLOWLY figuring out the true "killer apps" of the pocket space, aka. hand held space. This is much like figuring out the killer apps of the desktop space. That early war was won by apps like Word and Excell, but in many ways it is still evolving. Mostly though... it was defined and pioneered by apple and ultimately won by microsoft. Now though we're on to early mobile computing. And it is still early for it has yet to reach a critical mass of mass penetration. The earlies attempts at mobile computing were perhaps the caluculator... but then it quickly moved onto the PDA. The thing is though the PDA wasn't the ULTIMATE killer app. In many respects we haven't completely figured out quite what that killer app is. The iPod is one such vector... it says personal media is an important aspect of the hand space. And especially with the younger generations that's right. But we're still in a constant state of convergence and divergence. Companies attempt to combine winning cobinations... and also to split them off. Gaming is one... the PSP and Nintendo's answer... not much of a gamer myself, but it's definitely a very well defined segment of the pocket or hand space. The ipod... already mentioned The cell phone... The PDA... Mobile Email... SMS/IM... And then we come to something new... some deep seeded beast that rises out of the chaos of the internet... is it a "internet communicator"? ... how about a personal media... podcasting and vlogging? ... or is it not about personal media... so much as inter-personal communications? photo-sharing... video-sharing and other services? or is it simply unencumbered access to webservices? What is the next killer app of the mobile space? Is the iPod it for now, or is there some greater thing... something that will propell market domination?? Will one company dominate this sector if so who? How long untill mobile computing becomes homogenous enough a space and ubiquitous enough a space that the innovation isn't tied to the hardware and hence the 9-15month development cycles? How long until the pipes... i.e the mobile networks are robust enough they are no longer an issue? We're still very early in this process... It will be a long time before wifi and even wimax make connectivity of mobile computing a none issue. And... it'll be a long time before general user mobile computing hardware is flexible enough and refined enough to allow for a huge variety of innovations... so that the limitations to innovation rest not on the hardware or the pipes (the network) so that millions of innovators can innovate on the webservices level... which is to say... so that innovation can be decentralized away from hardware vendors and network owners. Apple has it's fingers on teh pulse of this innovation... hardware and software. They however don't have control over the pace of network innovation... hence their deal with Cingular... and there reliance on a device with dual wifi and cellular conectivity. Apple is just starting to get invested in wimax... if it pans out, when it pans out, it'll open innovation up all that much more. So where does the Nokia N770 and 800 exist? It's an "internet communicator" I guess. It's a fairly technical beast... poorly designed use scenarios and workflows... made to do a lot of things, but none of them extremely well. It also is not useful unless you have wifi, and wifi access is NOT dependably findable when traveling. This limits its use to non-critical applications. I guess this is all to say... it's an evolving class of applications yet. One day it very well may be a killer device... but we're still way to early I think. It's still ahead of its time. Just my opinion. There is one final observation I have. I've been running around saying this like a broken record. It's about personal communication. The iphone, and indeed nearly ALL the killer apps so far lie in the realm of personal communications... and at the very least with the iPod in the realm of personal media. Nearly every function on the iPhone is a communications feature... the only ones that aren't are about personal media. i.e. my photos from iphoto... my songs... my videos. That apple sells TV shows, or movies... is really incosequential to this device... I doubt people will watch to many films or tv shows on the iPhone.... unless of course it plugs into the TV. ;) Even podcasting and videoblogging as early an iteration as they are fit into this sliding scale of personal communications and media. They're somewhere less personl then my photos, but somewhat more personal then tv shows and movies. The point is... personal communicaitons and personal media are the killer class of apps for personal computing... after all, can you think of a many reasons to have Word or Excell in your pocket? The pocket space is slowly getting figured out. -Mike On 1/14/07, Robyn Tippins <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:robyn%40sleepyblogger.com> > wrote: > > Off the top of my head, the N800 has a faster processor (330mhz), > additional > memory (though the 770 could be easily hacked to have comparable memory > -2g > I think). Both run linux and there is a good community of people who > develop for the 770. The 800 will have a similar community, no doubt. > > > > It's not a full-fledged UMPC, but it's close. For a real UMPC, you could > look at the Samsung Q1 or possibly one of the nicer models from > TabletKiosk. > The tabletscape (like the blogosphere but tablet afficianados) is a great > place to start looking for reviews on devices like this. I've watched at > least 3 unboxings or full out reviews of the N800 this week and last week, > so if you need some help locating some videos let me know. The video > blogs > from some of these guys are amazing. > > > > Take a look at the LG KE850: > http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/13/video-of-lgs-ke850-its-no-poser/ > > > > Robyn > > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> ] > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:groups-yahoo-com%40mmeiser.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 4:30 PM > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone > > > > A friend of mine bought the N770... that's the small handheld tablet > device that runs a form of debian linux right? I don't think it > panned out for him... ended up in a drawer like most such devices. > > I'll have to check out the specs on the N800 and see what's new. > > The only problem I think it has is that noone knows what to do with > it. There aren't any clear use cases or models... you can do all sorts > of stuff with it, but it's not clearly defined... it's an undifined > market niche. > > Thanks for the links! > > -Mike > mmeiser.com/blog > > On 1/14/07, T Shey <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:timshey%40gmail.com> <mailto:timshey%40gmail.com> > > wrote: > > Hey, just caught up with this thread... for the record, tongue was > > firmly planted in cheek when talking about Apple being arrogant. > > Sure they are, but who can't like seeing Apple give a jolt to a mobile > > phone business that seems to conspire together to tolerate bad user > > experience. > > > > There was one nice product at CES that probably didn't get its due as > > a result. The new Nokia N800 tablet looks nice, will probably be > > relatively affordable, and seems to have a clean and well-thought-out > > OS. Anyone had a chance to play with one? I tried out its > > predecessor, the 770, at a store in NYC the other day and was pretty > > impressed. > > > > http://www.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n800 > > http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/nokia-n800-internet-tablet-unboxed/ > > > > On 1/13/07, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:steve%40dvmachine.com> > <mailto:steve%40dvmachine.com> > wrote: > > > lol whoa yeah it does look like Cisco might have blown it, har har > > > sticking a sticker that says 'iPhone' on the box of an existing > > > product, does not seem likely to me to have preserved their trademark, > > > fools! > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Steve Elbows > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> , "Ryan Ozawa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 1/11/07, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Oh yeah and the supreme arrongance of Apple winds me up - just > > > why did > > > > > they think they could get away with using the name iPhone when its > > > > > already been trademarked? > > > > > > > > I'm an Apple fan, but also felt the same way. It seemed so blatant, > so > > > > ridiculous, I was similarly confident that Cisco would have the rare > > > > opportunity to prevail over Apple and make the company eat a little > > > > humble pie. > > > > > > > > But it turns out, Cisco may have shot itself in the foot: > > > > > > > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236 > > > > > > > > You know what? It'd be worth Apple losing the case anyway. Just > > > > seeing that fake product box makes it all worth it. > > > > > > > > Digg It! > > > > http://www.digg.com/tech_news/iPhonegate_Cisco_s_sneaky_sticker > > > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > --------------------------------------- > > Tim Shey > > > > http://nextnewnetworks.com/ > > http://shey.net/ > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! 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