see indiekarma.com for similar approach related to viewing a blog. i had talked to indiakarma about doing an integration with fundavlog.comback in August. it's an interesting approach to micro-payments than can be further developed for media.
On 1/28/07, Ron Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > TUBE POINTS! > > That's exactly what I was thinking, although i did not have that > point system concept. That's pretty slick. > > Is there any value add that we could offer as content creators for > making a point system attractive for viewers? > > I kind of like the sans-advertising concept, but I'm not sure I want > to advertise any large companies on my work. There is a very short > list of businesses I would consider allowing to sponsor us, and most > of them are very small scale and have little advertising budget. > > I hope we can continue this conversation, and although I am a bit > concerned that Mike was unable to come up with a workable solution, > perhaps we could build off of this TUBE POINTS concept and put our > collective heads together. > > So cool, Steve! > > ron > > On Jan 28, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: > > > Speaking only as a viewer, Id like to be able to make micropayments > > without thinking about it when watching content. > > > > Its hard to get people to pay if there is a lot of simialr stuff out > > there for free, but my personal hatred of adverts means Id gladly pay > > to avoid them. > > > > Say for example once Youtube goes ahead with pre-roll adverts, Id > > rather give youtube $10 which would buy me 100 tubepoints, which are > > then used every time I watch a video ad-free. > > > > From a creators point of view, its easy to get into a trap where the > > 'problem' becomes seen as being other creators giving stuff away for > > free and therefore devaluing the wages of other creators. Some VJs on > > a forum I help run get a bit angry with other VJs who work for free to > > get started, because they believe it gives the clubs a large base of > > people willing to work for free, and so less likely to pay them. > > > > How small does a payment need to be to be classed as a micropayment? > > Ive got an XBOX360 which has a marketplace that works on the basis of > > buying points with a credit card, and then these points are used for > > buying various things online through the 360, but the amounts in money > > terms arent that low. > > > > Cheers > > > > Steve Elbows > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Roxanne Darling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > For sure, the internet has trained *consumers* not to pay for > > much of > > > anything online. > > > > > > However, what we are discussing here is a business to business > > > transaction, and perhaps there is tipping point potential. Business > > > is used to paying for products and services. Many of the original > > > content producers in the video space do not have the huge audience > > > size to garner a seat at the table. > > > > > > But there is micro-value in the aggregation. A micropayment > > system for > > > "b2b" begins to make more sense in the marketplace. It is the > > > responsibility of we the producers though to train the > > marketplace to > > > pay us, rather than expect payment if we keep delivering for free. > > > > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/28/07, Melissa Gira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > And in the last few weeks, the one micropayment service I actually > > > > used and got something good out of, Bitpass, closed shop with > > little > > > > notice. > > > > > > > > Bitpass ran the payment end for Mperia.com, which I had used in > > late > > > > 2004/early 2005 to sell spoken word mp3s, which served as a > > sort of > > > > gateway drug into podcasting. When I could get a much larger > > > > audience out of podcasting, I stopped putting new work up at > > Mperia > > > > -- which had as much to do about the community coming up around > > > > podcasting as it did the shortcomings of Mperia. > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > Melissa Gira > > > > Sexerati: Smart Sex > > > > The Future of Sex: Video Podcast > > > > sexerati.com > > > > > > > > On Jan 28, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Mike Hudack wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ah, micropayments, that favorite topic of mine! Way back > > when, long > > > > > before blip, I tried to build a micropayments service with a > > few of > > > > > the > > > > > folks now at blip. The challenges we saw then are the same > > challenges > > > > > we see now: in order to do micropayments effectively you need a > > system > > > > > to pool transactions, and to do this you need a compelling > > > > > collection of > > > > > content from a compelling collection of providers. At the end > > of the > > > > > day building a real micropayments system is really about network > > > > > building. No one's managed to do this well. > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > >> [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of Ron Watson > > > > >> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:00 AM > > > > >> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > >> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and > > > > >> aggregators in general > > > > >> > > > > >> I was just thinking of micro-payments. Any info out there on > > > > >> the topic, or can we have a conversation. > > > > >> > > > > >> Cheers, > > > > >> Ron Watson > > > > >> > > > > >> Pawsitive Vybe > > > > >> 11659 Berrigan Ave > > > > >> Cedar Springs, MI 49319 > > > > >> http://pawsitivevybe.com > > > > >> > > > > >> Personal Contact: > > > > >> 616.802.8923 > > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> > > > > >> On the Web: > > > > >> http://pawsitivevybe.com > > > > >> http://k9disc.com > > > > >> http://k9disc.blip.tv > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> On Jan 27, 2007, at 11:26 AM, johnleeke wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> It is fascinating to read between the lines and learn business > > > > >>> diplomacy from Mike. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I agree with David, when it comes to the legality and > > > > >> morality of the > > > > >>> issue, "opt out" simply empowers the illegal and immoral > > actions of > > > > >>> these secondary agrigators and distributors of our content. > > > > >> They want > > > > >>> and take our content because it has a higher value that > > > > >> what they have > > > > >>> to pay for it. The fact that their business model is based > > > > >> on paying > > > > >>> absolutely nothing for the content is the problem. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> "We cannot afford it" sounds pretty lame when they have > > > > >> million dollar > > > > >>> budgets. But even on lesser budgets what happened to the > > "micro > > > > >>> payment" idea? Wern't computers supposed to make "micro > > payments" > > > > >>> practical? Why don't they set a policy of always paying, > > > > >> then pay what > > > > >>> they can negotiate with the content maker? Blip has done it > > > > >> so we know > > > > >>> it is possible. If they cannot arrive at an agreement with > > > > >> the content > > > > >>> makers, then they don't take the content. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> This seems pretty simple, and most of us learned it from > > > > >> our Mommies > > > > >>> by the time we were ten: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> "If it doesn't belong to you, then don't take it." > > > > >>> > > > -- > > > Roxanne Darling > > > "o ke kai" means "of the sea" in hawaiian > > > 808-384-5554 > > > > > > http://www.beachwalks.tv > > > http://www.barefeetshop.com > > > http://www.barefeetstudios.com > > > http://www.inthetransition.com > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
