I looked briefly at indiekarma and like what they are attempting. I personally want to give people a choice - free is great at inviting people in to have a look-see and stay as long as they like. Enabling people to pay is a longer term part of changing the consciousness of buyers. It's for the loyal few, not to be expected from the many passers by.
I like to give back when I find somethign of value. But how many people actually come back to click on the Donate button after using a piece of freeware? From the people I have met, very few. So that means for now, the occasional micropayment (feels good and maintains a positive energy flow) combined with sponsorships where there is relevance bwtween the sponsor and the show content. I'd like to see PayPal implement a feature/Firefox plugin that would allow you to login in the morning, and then click an "Instant Payment" button to make micropayments throughout the day, literally one-click. Maybe someone from PayPal is listening here. Their tools get better and better; this seems a natural progression. Rox On 1/29/07, Ron Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I like this idea too, Sull. > > Perhaps all of my free stuff could be part of the whole that would > need to be tied into the paid version to have the real nuts in bolts. > Make 'em pay for the punchline, or the trick to the trick. You could > get the flavor, but not the meal, so to speak. > > I also like the idea of the tube points concept. We are talking about > small chunks of money. Like buying a piece of candy, or a candy bar. > The problem seems to be the lack of a give a penny, take a penny tray > and change purse. > > How can we enable an internet media changepurse for viewers and a > change tray for content creators? > > I guess a videoblogger's guild or union could do something like that. > We surely have the talent pool within the population to make that > happen. > > What fringe benefits could be added to entice viewers to pay for > some content? > > Maybe it's sulls 'super episodes' or the 'punchlines' for free. Could > that be something that would get viewers to invest in internet media? > I don't know. > > There have got to be a ton of things we could come up with. > > Anyone else here know the concept of 'Po'? > > Cheers, > Ron Watson > > Pawsitive Vybe > 11659 Berrigan Ave > Cedar Springs, MI 49319 > http://pawsitivevybe.com > > Personal Contact: > 616.802.8923 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On the Web: > http://pawsitivevybe.com > http://k9disc.com > http://k9disc.blip.tv > > On Jan 29, 2007, at 1:41 PM, sull wrote: > > > I am also a believer in mixing both paid and free content. > > For example, every month you out a video that requires a payment... > > maybe > > it's $5. > > It obviously helps if this video is somewhat different than your > > regular > > shows. > > What the difference is would be up to you, the producers. > > But it could be a good way to ask for financial support while still > > giving > > the audience most of your content for free. With some marketing > > finesse, > > you could work to increase the amount of purchases over time ;-) > > If re-distribution of this paid content hinders, you could use DRM > > or other > > techniques to defend against it. > > Hey, it's only one video so you wouldnt be evil :) > > > > i think it's time now for us - as producers - to figure out how to use > > > aggregation to our benefit, not just to the offical aggregators' > > > benefit. > > > > > > > Yes, please let's keep the discussion going... here or on the other > > list... > > anywhere. I just want to keep the topic moving forward. > > > > sull > > > > On 1/29/07, Roxanne Darling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > i'd prefer to make payments over viewing ads often too but when I > > > surveyed my audience the answer was overwhelming: we'll take ads, we > > > don't want to pay; it's too good it should be free so anyone can see > > > it. i didn't offer the choice of two feeds (free with ads or no ads > > > for fee) > > > > > > I went ahead and enabled $2 a month optional subscriptions (we do a > > > show every single day so that is less than 7 cents an episode. We > > have > > > 2 paid subscribers out of several thousand downloads a day. And a > > very > > > loyal audience. So now we are going after ads. > > > > > > i think it's time now for us - as producers - to figure out how > > to use > > > aggregation to our benefit, not just to the offical aggregators' > > > benefit. > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > > On 1/28/07, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <steve% > > 40dvmachine.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking only as a viewer, Id like to be able to make > > micropayments > > > > without thinking about it when watching content. > > > > > > > > Its hard to get people to pay if there is a lot of simialr > > stuff out > > > > there for free, but my personal hatred of adverts means Id > > gladly pay > > > > to avoid them. > > > > > > > > Say for example once Youtube goes ahead with pre-roll adverts, Id > > > > rather give youtube $10 which would buy me 100 tubepoints, > > which are > > > > then used every time I watch a video ad-free. > > > > > > > > From a creators point of view, its easy to get into a trap > > where the > > > > 'problem' becomes seen as being other creators giving stuff > > away for > > > > free and therefore devaluing the wages of other creators. Some > > VJs on > > > > a forum I help run get a bit angry with other VJs who work for > > free to > > > > get started, because they believe it gives the clubs a large > > base of > > > > people willing to work for free, and so less likely to pay them. > > > > > > > > How small does a payment need to be to be classed as a > > micropayment? > > > > Ive got an XBOX360 which has a marketplace that works on the > > basis of > > > > buying points with a credit card, and then these points are > > used for > > > > buying various things online through the 360, but the amounts > > in money > > > > terms arent that low. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Steve Elbows > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] <videoblogging% > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "Roxanne Darling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > For sure, the internet has trained *consumers* not to pay for > > much of > > > > > anything online. > > > > > > > > > > However, what we are discussing here is a business to business > > > > > transaction, and perhaps there is tipping point potential. > > Business > > > > > is used to paying for products and services. Many of the > > original > > > > > content producers in the video space do not have the huge > > audience > > > > > size to garner a seat at the table. > > > > > > > > > > But there is micro-value in the aggregation. A micropayment > > system for > > > > > "b2b" begins to make more sense in the marketplace. It is the > > > > > responsibility of we the producers though to train the > > marketplace to > > > > > pay us, rather than expect payment if we keep delivering for > > free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/28/07, Melissa Gira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And in the last few weeks, the one micropayment service I > > actually > > > > > > used and got something good out of, Bitpass, closed shop > > with little > > > > > > notice. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bitpass ran the payment end for Mperia.com, which I had > > used in late > > > > > > 2004/early 2005 to sell spoken word mp3s, which served as a > > sort of > > > > > > gateway drug into podcasting. When I could get a much larger > > > > > > audience out of podcasting, I stopped putting new work up > > at Mperia > > > > > > -- which had as much to do about the community coming up > > around > > > > > > podcasting as it did the shortcomings of Mperia. > > > > > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > > > Melissa Gira > > > > > > Sexerati: Smart Sex > > > > > > The Future of Sex: Video Podcast > > > > > > sexerati.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 28, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Mike Hudack wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, micropayments, that favorite topic of mine! Way back > > when, > > > long > > > > > > > before blip, I tried to build a micropayments service > > with a few > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > folks now at blip. The challenges we saw then are the same > > > > challenges > > > > > > > we see now: in order to do micropayments effectively you > > need a > > > > system > > > > > > > to pool transactions, and to do this you need a compelling > > > > > > > collection of > > > > > > > content from a compelling collection of providers. At the > > end > > > > of the > > > > > > > day building a real micropayments system is really about > > network > > > > > > > building. No one's managed to do this well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > > > >> From:[email protected]<videoblogging% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > >> [mailto:[email protected]<videoblogging% > > 40yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of Ron Watson > > > > > > >> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:00 AM > > > > > > >> To:[email protected]<videoblogging% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and > > > > > > >> aggregators in general > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I was just thinking of micro-payments. Any info out > > there on > > > > > > >> the topic, or can we have a conversation. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Cheers, > > > > > > >> Ron Watson > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Pawsitive Vybe > > > > > > >> 11659 Berrigan Ave > > > > > > >> Cedar Springs, MI 49319 > > > > > > >> http://pawsitivevybe.com > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Personal Contact: > > > > > > >> 616.802.8923 > > > > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On the Web: > > > > > > >> http://pawsitivevybe.com > > > > > > >> http://k9disc.com > > > > > > >> http://k9disc.blip.tv > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Jan 27, 2007, at 11:26 AM, johnleeke wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> It is fascinating to read between the lines and learn > > business > > > > > > >>> diplomacy from Mike. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> I agree with David, when it comes to the legality and > > > > > > >> morality of the > > > > > > >>> issue, "opt out" simply empowers the illegal and immoral > > > > actions of > > > > > > >>> these secondary agrigators and distributors of our > > content. > > > > > > >> They want > > > > > > >>> and take our content because it has a higher value that > > > > > > >> what they have > > > > > > >>> to pay for it. The fact that their business model is based > > > > > > >> on paying > > > > > > >>> absolutely nothing for the content is the problem. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> "We cannot afford it" sounds pretty lame when they have > > > > > > >> million dollar > > > > > > >>> budgets. But even on lesser budgets what happened to > > the "micro > > > > > > >>> payment" idea? Wern't computers supposed to make "micro > > > payments" > > > > > > >>> practical? Why don't they set a policy of always paying, > > > > > > >> then pay what > > > > > > >>> they can negotiate with the content maker? Blip has > > done it > > > > > > >> so we know > > > > > > >>> it is possible. If they cannot arrive at an agreement with > > > > > > >> the content > > > > > > >>> makers, then they don't take the content. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> This seems pretty simple, and most of us learned it from > > > > > > >> our Mommies > > > > > > >>> by the time we were ten: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> "If it doesn't belong to you, then don't take it." > > > > > > >>> > > > > > -- > > > > > Roxanne Darling > > > > > "o ke kai" means "of the sea" in hawaiian > > > > > 808-384-5554 > > > > > > > > > > http://www.beachwalks.tv > > > > > http://www.barefeetshop.com > > > > > http://www.barefeetstudios.com > > > > > http://www.inthetransition.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Roxanne Darling > > > "o ke kai" means "of the sea" in hawaiian > > > 808-384-5554 > > > > > > http://www.beachwalks.tv > > > http://www.barefeetshop.com > > > http://www.barefeetstudios.com > > > http://www.inthetransition.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sull > > http://vlogdir.com (a project) > > http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) > > http://interdigitate.com (otherly) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > -- Roxanne Darling "o ke kai" means "of the sea" in hawaiian 808-384-5554 http://www.beachwalks.tv http://www.barefeetshop.com http://www.barefeetstudios.com http://www.inthetransition.com
