--- In [email protected], "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jose Gonzales might care that you're using his music in your video no > matter how few people watch your stuff. But he might not. You can > get in touch with him and ask him. But that's probably too much > work. Since there's so much music out there you can use under CC > license from artists who you can help by using it, who want you to > use it, why not just go to music.podshow.com and use that instead? > You're probably right that the harm you do Jose is nominal. But why > do it? Convenience, expediency? It's no more difficult to use music > available under CC license. It's just as few clicks away as the > copyrighted stuff. And you're helping another artist who is asking > you to use it. I really hope people will start to see this. > Respecting copyright does not diminish the sharing, remix, resuse, > revlogging community. It's an opt-in community that can exist while > simultaneously respecting copyright, whereas if we refuse to respect > copyright that limits our choices. We can publish our works under > various licenses that permit others to use them. Or not. But that's > personal choice and it only makes sense to respect it. There's no > need to trample on the rights of someone who, for whatever reason > wants to protect their material. There's a growing database of > content that's available for reuse. Why don't we use that?
Good points. It would probably be a good idea for content creators to go through sites with CC licensed music and cataloguing them. That way, there's a library available to you that's as convenient as your CD collection or music you already have on your computer. > --- In [email protected], Rupert <rupert@> wrote: > > > > RE: what Jay wrote about breaking the habit of using commercial > > music... This discussion of using commercial music has changed a > lot > > from 2 years ago on this group, when from what I remember it > mostly > > seemed to revolve around whether or not you'd get busted for using > it. > > > > I don't worry about that - my films only get 100-200 views, I > don't > > have adverts, and I'd be happy to take any of them down if asked. Interesting question. I'd be interested in hearing other people's responses. IMO, a line has to be drawn somewhere, and it's an individual decision as far as "where". If you're going to _not_ use copyrighted music in non-commercial videos, you may as well _not_ play copyrighted music if you're sitting in Washington Square Park playing guitar. You may as well _not_ sing "Happy Birthday" at birthday parties, because you didn't ask anybody's permission to do it. You may as well _not_ play records that you bought with your own money in your profession as a DJ, because each of those records is copyrighted by a different person or group. I think it depends on what each person thinks they're doing with their videoblogs. If you're doing something that you're hoping to sell to someone or get picked up and syndicated somewhere, then don't use ANY copyrighted music, because you're going to have to go back and take that music out of the episodes that you created before the syndicator will be willing to air your episode. You might not even want to use CC music... just make your own with GarageBand or Soundtrack Pro. Did you ever notice how most independent films have soundtracks consisting of one guitar or one keyboard playing something really simple? That's because they couldn't afford or didn't want to pay for the rights to use other music in their film. They needed SOME kind of music, so they got someone inexpensive to play something original or they did it themselves. If you think your videos are going to change over from non-commercial to commercial somehow... then make it a big deal for yourself not to use copyrighted music and stick to that. > > What interests me now is whether people in this group would take a > > dim moral view of someone like me using (yawn)Jose Gonzales on a > film > > of my daughter in the park (just because that's what I was > listening > > to that day, it fitted well, and I was pushed for time). Another interesting aspect of the discussion. I haven't seen your video, but if you're going to be concerned that you used someone's copyrighted music in your video, you also need to be concerned that you don't have releases for ANYONE that you may have shown in your video. This means you need to blur their faces out of the video or go back to the park and hope they come back so you can ask them to sign off, hahaha :) You ALSO need to make sure that nobody walked by playing a CD of Beatles music in the background, because you'd have to get a release for that as well = $,$$$. ... Oh... and hopefully, you didn't videotape any storefronts while you were making that video, because you'd have to get permission from them to show their store/logo/whatever. Ever notice how MTV blurs out brand names on people's clothing in their reality shows? Ever notice how reality shows occur for the most part on locations that the production company obtained the rights to shoot in, such as a house that everyone happens to live in? Ever notice that when they happen to go outside, a lot of people's faces get blurred as they pass them on the street? :D See... as "hobbyist" video on the net is drawn closer to "MSM", there are more restrictions involved because there's more money to be made. The Beatles (actually, whomever owns their library at this point) are going to be more concerned that their music was heard in a production that's making money in movie theaters or on television or being peformed on a stage than whether someone used it in a video that's NOT making any money and was about someone's daughter in a park. Copyrighted music is used all day, every day in the world of corporate video. The video isn't "going anywhere", so there's no point in _not_ using it. For those that want to make a big deal out of it, you can buy or lease libraries of "royalty-free" music. That means you pay one time, and you have the ability to use any of the music on the CDs that the company gives you for, let's say, a full year. This is why you will see shows on television that repeat the same music. That's all they have rights to, so they have to rotate the songs in that library. 'Matter of fact, depending on how the show is put together, and how coordinated the piece editors are, you might hear the same music come up in two different pieces in the same 30-minute or hour-long show. :) Like you mention, though... For some people, it's a "moral" issue. They want to know what the rules are and make sure they play by them, even if they're not actually in the game. Just like they don't want MyHeavy to make it look like they OKed pictures of "Heavy's Angels" to be placed next to home videos of their children, they don't want to use music that wasn't specifically, definitely earmarked for _anyone's_ use as long as they adhere to the rules of their license. -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV > > Has the huge increase in support for CC made more people think > that > > this kind of thing is not just lazy, but Bad? Or does that only > > count for larger, commercial vlogs? Since i've never had a > negative > > reaction or comment, I've assumed no one cares. If you do, I'll > make > > time to source elsewhere. > > > > Rupert > > > > http://www.fatgirlinohio.org > > http://feeds.feedburner.com/fatgirlinohio > > --- In [email protected], "Jay dedman" <jay.dedman@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > i have had to break a bad habit of using commercial music in my > > videos. > > > its tough because ive always found it hard to not use the music i > > hear. > > > > > > Ryanne (ryanedit.com) has been making her own music in > Soundtrack in > > FCP studio. > > > its pretty amazing what she can make using their loops. > > > > > > > Personally, I use ccMixter material only, I can not > > > > make my own music at the moment. I have used really > > > > small segments of popular mix, and have referenced > > > > them at the end of a film. Not sure if this is > > > > breaking the law. > > > > > > CCmixter a good place. wish there was more stuff to choose from. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Here I am.... > > > http://jaydedman.com > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >
