Note: YouTube vids have recently begun to appear in Google searches. Jan
On 2/5/07, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 2/4/07, Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree that Compete is comparing apples and oranges, but it's still > > reasonable to assume that they're not far off the mark and that YouTube > > and MySpace are the top two sites and of course both are relatively > > closed systems (if I search for something on YouTube it's not going to > > give me results from MySpace video or vice versa). I think this is a big > > challenge because let's say your video is hosted on Blip.tv or > > Revver....assuming Compete's numbers are close even though your video > > might show up in an AOL Video or Google Video search over half of the > > time people look for video on the internet there is no way they are > > going to find your stuff unless you upload separately to YouTube and/or > > MySpace and agree to their TOS. > > > > With any web site or blog I've ever been involved in, over half the > > visitors discover the site via search engines. How do you deal with the > > fact that the main places people are searching and using video are > > closed off from the outside? Especially in light of the network > > neutrality issues with MySpace Kent raised recently. > > > > I guess I missed the MySpace issues kent raised. I assume you mean > Kent of AskANinja? > > Overall... precisely. Google is going to refocus google video now that > they have youtube into making a neutral video search engine. This may > take them six months to relanch a true search engine that can search > the entire web of videos regardless of site, or it may take them over > a year. However once they do the question is this... > > Will we see an immediate shifting or simply a new understanding of the > over 300 video sharing sites and countless independant video blogs > that looks much more similar to the long tail? > > The other question is while this would be TREMENDOUSLY positive for > all the smaller hosting companies... i.e. NOT youtube or myspace (and > especially independant videoblogs from rocketboom to kitykity) is it > going to be a conflict of interest for google now that they're in the > content game... or the 'destination' game. > > Will google's purchase of youtube dilute or enhance their ability to > be a neutral search site of the ENTIRE web of video? > > So far as I can see Yahoo is grappeling with the same issues. > > It's also interesting to note that "video search" for the entire world > wide web is NOT a new thing. Altavista and others have had web wide > video search for YEARS... litterally since the start of the web and > yet this illustrates how innovation happens so quick it can litterally > obsolete whole sectors overnight. > > What most people don't understand is what's driving this explosion IS > RSS... RSS is NOT simply a means for piping video... i.e. as with > fireant or democracy. Indeed it's legacy may be it's ability to share > and enhance tremendous amounts of semantic metadata on media. It may > represent if it doesn't already in the blogging world, i.e. with > technoratti, a new more social way of making the web work as opposed > to the technology driven means that have been employed google... i.e. > page rank... and the technological means that are still being > experimented with like voice recognition in audio podcast and videos. > > Anyway, it's all a brave new world and I really, really don't think > we've scratched the surface of it. > > I would say youtube landed the first big punch. Let's acknowlege that > just to get over it... but that its success is by NO means a knockout > punch... it is merely the first salvo. > > Peace, > > -Mike > mefeedia.com > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > > - Andrew > > > > > > Mike Meiser wrote: > > > > > Precisely. Well said mike. > > > > > > I completely agree. > > > > > > I have one question. Does the fact that we're comparing apple's and > > > oranges mean this thing still hasn't even shaken out the winners and > > > loosers yet? > > > > > > To me it would seem to indicate there's a lot more terretory yet to > cover. > > > > > > -Mike > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > mefeedia.com > > > > > > On 2/3/07, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:mike%40blip.tv>> wrote: > > > > Compete's numbers are even worse than Alexa's, which are themselves > very > > > > often demonstrated to be false. Compete's methodology is inherently > > > flawed > > > > on numerous dimensions. If you have any doubt about this look back > > > to the Ze > > > > Frank/Andrew Michael Baron disagreement as just one of many > examples. > > > > > > > > That said, I'm not sure I disagree with the conclusions in general. > The > > > > funny thing is that Compete is comparing apples and oranges. Google > > > Video is > > > > rapidly transitioning into a discovery engine that doesn't host. No > > > one I > > > > know (other than Yahoo employees who are forced to) uses Yahoo Video > to > > > > host, but tons of people use it to find new videos from sites all > > > over the > > > > Web. AOL carries tons of commercial content. This is like comparing > > > ebay and > > > > amazon traffic in 1997 and saying "Amazon is winning! Amazon is > > > winning!" > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: [email protected] > > > <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <[email protected] <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com > >> > > > > To: Yahoo Videoblogging Group <[email protected] > > > <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>> > > > > Sent: Sat Feb 03 17:43:45 2007 > > > > Subject: [videoblogging] Top Video Sites in December 2006 > > > > > > > > NewTeeVee posted a list of the leading video sites according to > Compete > > > > data for the month of December 2006. Here's how the top five break > down: > > > > > > > > YouTube 41.1% > > > > MySpace 19.3% > > > > Google 10.2% > > > > AOL 6.2% > > > > Yahoo 3.6% > > > > > > > > You can read the full list at > > > > http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/newteevee/~3/85628611/ > > > <http://feeds.feedburner.com/%7Er/newteevee/%7E3/85628611/> > > > > > > > > What's interesting is that Revver doesn't even show up in the Top > 20. > > > > NewTeeVee does point out that Compete is relatively new and could be > > > > under-reporting numbers. Still, that's interesting. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Andrew > > > > Creative Director, The World's Angriest Puppets > > > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:andrew%40angrypuppets.com> > > > > Web: www.angrypuppets.com > > > > Blog: puppetvision.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > Need personalized email and website? Look no further. It's easy > > > > with Doteasy $0 Web Hosting! 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