Josh, you can be critical of emotional responses someone expresses in frustration over pressing issues of life and death. However, you really violate social civility by imputing "evil intentions" to an expressed passion to do good and save lives.
--- In [email protected], "Josh Leo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't check the group very often, and read maybe 3 emails out of 50, so i > probably skipped over your first one > > I think your methods for motivation are not thought out... > > Here is what you did: > 1. insulted an entire country We Americans deserve to be criticized for spending 1% or 2% of our National budget on foreign aid while much poorer countries like Ireland contribute two or three times that percentage. > 2. insulted the videobloggers in that country Saying members of a vlogging community that glorifies the values of sharing and helping seem unconcerned with two billion people who live on $1 a day & die by the millions simply because they don't have access to clean water is not "insulting" them. It is a "challenge" and "wake-up call" challenging them to do better. > 3. insulted the yahoo group they are members of No one, no group should be offended if basically valid criticism is expressed in a socially "impolite" way. ("You smoke cigarettes! How stupid can you be? Don't you know what they are doing to your body?") > 4. claim that all members of the group are only concerned with materialistic > matters Most human beings are only concerned with materialistic matters. If you traveled in poor countries & saw women sleeping with her four children on the street with only cardboard boxes as covering against the cold, you'd have a more informed understanding of the hostility directed at selfish materialistic Americans. > > you need to re-think your methodology... > > I worry that your desire to help charity is equal to your desire to earn > hits to popularize your site... This is really an ugly personal attack. Paul does incredible sophisticated vlogs that are largely ignored by the mindless mobs on the Internet. > > I think there are plenty of people interested in helping charitable causes > but the way to get them involved is not to insult them because they didn't > respond to your one email We are all "interested" in helping charitable causes. I set a several fund appeals aside around Christmas intending to send them contributions in varying amounts--Jimmy Carter, the Humane Society, Amnesty International, the Gay Community Center, etc. Actually, the easiest thing in the world is to "not act" on your own charitable impulses. I hadn't written the checks & Paul's frustration and emotional over-reaction at a total, absolute, zero response from the 2,500 or so people on the list motivated me to get those checks written and in the mail. I felt so bad about Paul's "zero" response, I gave $20 just as a token of support even though I'm not familiar with that charity & am very selective about the groups I support financially. Yes, Paul certainly wasn't "politically correct" socially. I agree that his anger might have been counter-productive. He's not going to be voted "most popular vlogger of the year" by folks on this list. That said, I respect his genuine "good" intentions. I don't know how much he will ultimately raise for his chosen charity but his anger reminded me of my own uncharitable negligence. He raised a lot more than $20 for all the causes listed above. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Hoboken, NJ > > > > > On 2/17/07, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Please, please, please, just read the e-mail, that's all you need to > > do, please try to be completely un american about this and at least > > give me some help on this, I don't ask for much, just that you read > > the f'ing e-mail. All I want is support not money, I rally should be > > typing this is capital letters, really. > > > > JUST DIGG ME FOR f's SAKE, make this popular, not for me, BUT FOR THE > > CHARITY, that's how thing usually WORK right? > > > > And send me any jokes that you feel would make people belly laugh, > > there is an incentive for you all. > > > > But hey, I suppose all that motivates this group is money, or toys > > (gadgets) or a discussion about being banned from youtube, big deal, > > I just expected something more from the 1000's of people here, who > > are selfish enough not to share their success with anyone less worthy. > > > > The best way to proceed with this argument is to stop saying hey, I > > never saw the e-mail and taking steps, personally if you want to, to > > get these posts to greater media, posting diggs and technoriaties or > > comments on vlogs etc. This is one of the reasons i got into > > vlogging in the first place and to be ignored by the "great and the > > Good" ha, is just not good enough. > > > > I have seen it before in this clique, a community, ha! > > So log as you can't hold a get together in NY, you are forgotten and > > ignored. > > This group IS made up of more people from outside the US than you think! > > Stop being so f'ing selfish. > > > > Paul Knight > > > > (BTW anyone from outside the UK can't contribute to this Charity, but > > I just need digging so that people know what I am doing to raise > > cash, simple enough for you to understand, or shall I elucidate some > > more) > > On 17 Feb 2007, at 20:54, Gena wrote:Gena > > > > > > > Hey Paul, This is the first that I'm seeing the post. I didn't even > > > know that you were sick. Besides, you know how many posts flow through > > > the group. You also know that sometimes posts are delayed from > > > appearing through no fault of the postee. > > > > > > If you posted this Friday UK that is in the early morning California > > > PST (i.e. 2-3am) I'm not reading, I'm sleeping! Literally! > > > > > > Also I have to say that if I see something titled Charity Event that > > > generally means it is something to attend and since I am on > > > transportation lock down I might have ignored it even if I had seen it > > > which I didn't cuz I was sleep. > > > > > > Titles man, descriptive titles go a long way to drawing attention. > > > Let me read what you have proposed and we'll see if we can pass it > > > down the line and get some reactions. > > > > > > P.S. If it ever comes up in Parliament I would like to propose that > > > the UK switch to Pacific Standard Time. I realize it would be a major > > > disruption but sacrifices have to be made to promote international > > > unity. Or effective group communications. > > > > > > Yeah, the finger is waving. In a Moe Howard kind of way but lovingly > > > none the less. > > > > > > Gena > > > http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com > > > http://pcclibtech.blogspot.com > > > http://voxmedia.org/wiki/Video > > > > > > --- In [email protected] <videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > Paul Knight <paul.knight7@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Lovely Lovely Vloggers out there, > > > > > > > > As some British people know or are aware of, Comic Relief is only a > > > > month away, I have been to sainsburys and got my red nose and > > > > holographic chocolate and this time, because I was a few months late > > > > at starting this rollercoaster of a ride into internet video, I want > > > > to do my bit for this wonderful charity. I have started doing a joke > > > > a day on my website, http://pjkproductions.blogspot.com and have > > > > managed to get a comic relief donate button so anyone, well just > > > this > > > > country actually can donate to to this worthy cause directly. > > > > > > > > The cause is basically simple, instead of Rock Stars doing live aid, > > > > you get the best comics from all over the world to do their bit for > > > > free to raise funds for African Kids who have been effected by war > > > > and famine to kids in this country who are carers for disabled > > > > relitives the mentally ill, the kids who are effected by drink and > > > > drugs, loads of things like that. I think it is possibly the best > > > > Charity event of the year, it culminates in a big show on BBC TV on > > > > March 16th this year. > > > > > > > > Anyway what I am doing is posting a joke a day for the next 30 days > > > > until Red Nose Day 2007, I have posted my first today and need a > > > > little help with a few things. > > > > > > > > 1. I want to make this quite popular, in doing so I need to know how > > > > to get the message out there, digg might be good, but I have only > > > > once been dugg, so if someone could digg me who people listen to > > > that > > > > would help. > > > > > > > > 2. If you would like to send me a joke to use I will credit you, > > > also > > > > if you want to tell a joke on video, even better. > > > > > > > > 3. If you like the idea of giving but you live in the rest of the > > > > world besides the UK, you can of course use my paypal donate button, > > > > which takes money from anywhere, I will from there pass it on. > > > > > > > > Many Thanks for any help you can give me. > > > > > > > > I am getting slowly better. > > > > > > > > Paul knight > > > > > > > > > > > > That was posted on Friday and nothing so far, I am not asking for > > > > money from anywhere out of the UK just need some help, or am I wrong > > > > again???? > > > > > > > > PJK > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > -- > Josh Leo > > www.JoshLeo.com > www.WanderingWestMichigan.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
