The problem (for me) in using Blip's feed is that I have only one account @ Blip and all my media plops down there first, including the audiobooks, poetry and political stuff, most of which never gets posted to my regular Faux Press vlog.
Now, if I could create different "shows" @ Blip, each with a different RSS feed, that would be a different horse altogether. Blippers? Jan P.S. I read what y'all have to say about technical stuff all the time. It's been going over my head for two years. OMG, it's my second vlogiversary! But finally, with this thread, it begins to make sense. A milestone or two I thought worth mentioning. Whoot. On 2/9/07, sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mike, if you read my more recent response, you would see that I pointed > out > the need for a plugin for blog engines, though it should def be a core > feature, to output proper mediaRSS including thumbs. And I mentioned it > wouldn't hurt to also include rel=thumbnail in the posts markup. > > of course there needs to be an input mechanism for a thumb... but the > point > you are missing... is that the effort to get people to markup there posts > with a rel=thumbnail should not come without it being wrapped into getting > better support for mediaRSS and its media:thumbnail. If you are going to > rally people to do something new, or for a developer to add a new > feature... > then at this point all that effort should be focused on mediaRSS and your > rel=thumb or class=thumb or whatever can ride the coattails of such a > campaign. > > Secondly, regarding blip feeds and my suggestion to use them over > feedburner.... I am entirely talking about video feeds. VIDEO feeds. I > call > them vodcasts. In the context of this topic, re: video thumbs, I am not > looking at users general feed needs. I am looking at their VIDEO feed > needs. And for video, there is no better feed than blip's if you are a > blip > user. > > There is nothing wrong with offering subscribers a feed with all posts and > a > feed with strictly videos. So my suggestion stands. > > This is the Videoblogging group, not the "blogging" group. > > Sull > > On 2/9/07, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 2/9/07, billshackelford <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <bshackelford%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. > > > > > > --- In [email protected]<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > > sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > nah. > > > > encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. > > > > > > > > and consider using blip feeds (blip users). > > > > > > > > sull > > > > > > > > You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. > > > > This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or thing. > > When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark something > > up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're actually > > coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL > > wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS feed... > > heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the thumbnail > > field of the RSS feed. > > > > Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds > > instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far more > > than just videos from blip... their blogs contain text posts, and > > blogged posts from flickr, and posts that are reblogged from others. > > That makes about as much sense as telling them just to use their > > delicious feed, or flickr feed instead of their blog. > > > > Maybe my post was to long or something, but I'm sort of disapointed in > > the responses. > > > > Other than the fact that there is no "rel" atribute to <img> there's > > no reason not to do this. > > > > Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to "rel", or perhaps I'd > > like to suggest playing the devils advocate, does it really matter if > > there's no rel attribute to <img src>? What's wrong with extending > > it? It guarantees there will be no conflicts, and it's in keeping > > with other standards like relTag, relNoFollow, relEnclosure and many > > others. > > > > Again just to play devils advocate... but what's wrong with extending > > HTML with a rel standard? > > > > If that is evil incarnate what other choices do we have? > > > > class="media-thumbnail" ? > > > > I think this is already getting to convoluted... we need something the > > everyday people can understand... getting people to make the jump from > > rel= to class= is a big step to ask thousands of people to remember... > > these are not coders they're bloggers. > > > > -Mike > > mefeedia.com > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat > > > > > thing... > > > > > and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most > necissary > > > > > problem > > > > > first. > > > > > > > > > > I.E. <img src="" rel=thumbnail> > > > > > > > > > > It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using > > this > > > > > somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. > > > > > > > > > > It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, > > rel=enclosure, > > > > > rel=payment and a host of others. > > > > > > > > > > It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds > > like > > > > > audio, > > > > > and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. > > > > > > > > > > Any objections to this? > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/8/07, duthied2004 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <duthied%40gmail.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey all. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have > > tried to > > > > > > catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked > > > before.... > > > > > > > > > > > > But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for > > their > > > > > > entries....do you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the > > > > > > 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item > > > > > > elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. > > > > > > > > > > > > Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more > new > > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Devlon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very > > hight > > > > > > > percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are > not > > > > > > > "semantically" specified. This is to say they are not > specified > > in > > > > > > > standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search > > sites > > > > > > > like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... > > eclosures > > > > > > > can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a > > microformat > > > > > > > standard "rel=enclosure". There is no standards for huge > amounts > > of > > > > > > > supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no > > > > > > > "rel=thumnail". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify > > thumbnails > > > in > > > > > > > blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media > > Microformat. > > > > > > > It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for > people > > who > > > > > > > use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and > > others, > > > but > > > > > > > it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like > when > > > > > > > you're writing a blog post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media microformat > > as > > > well > > > > > > > as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck <petervandijck@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, so > it > > may > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any questions > > about > > > > > > that, I'm > > > > > > > > sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my fault! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We're currently working on this issue and plan to have a > big > > new > > > > > > > > > release of the FireAnt website in February. This new > release > > > will > > > > > > > > > support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently, we can grab thumbnails from blog posts if they > > are > > > > > > included > > > > > > > > > in the link to the video enclosure file like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <a href="http://link/to/video.mov"; rel="enclosure"><img > > > > > > > > > src="http://link/to/thumbnail/image.jpg"; /></a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We also have the ability to get thumbnail images from > > MeFeedia, > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > seems that MeFeedia may have disabled this feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that helps explain... please stay tuned for our new > > website > > > > > > > > > update that will address this along with many other bug > > fixes > > > > > > and new > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://FireAnt.tv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/19/07, billshackelford > > > > > > > > <bshackelford@<bshackelford%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > My videos do not have thumbnails on FireAnt. It seems > they > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > utilize the Yahoo Media > > > > > > > > > > RSS namespace attributes. Is there a reason why? If > there > > is a > > > > > > legal > > > > > > > > > reason.. why don't they > > > > > > > > > > just come up with their own namespace? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I read something about FireAnt getting > > thumbnails > > > from > > > > > > > > > Mefeedia but my > > > > > > > > > > thumbnails show up Mefeedia fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know if there is something I can do to have > my > > > > > > thumbnails > > > > > > > > > show up on FireAnt? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my channel on FireAnt: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > billshackelford.com podcast > > > > > > > > > > http://fireant.tv/directory/channel/22981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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