Human values of respect, understanding, etc. are natural to express and act on. To impose a code of conduct is an insult and mockery of those values.
-- Enric -======- http://cirne.com --- In [email protected], Josh Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey everyone, this is my first post after being released! It feels good > to return to the land of message groups... > > I just read Tim O'Reilly's proposed draft (I haven't examined its > current state on wikia yet), and I'm quite displeased with this code. > For one thing, it's focal point seems to be on comments and not original > content. It seems a bit puzzling to me that I can't sign onto this code > *and* allow anonymous comments. Is this about creating a set of > principles that the blogger adheres to, or is this about creating a set > of principles for the commenter in order to establish a "safe" place for > them to engage in an open dialogue. > > From my vantage point this code seems less about the blogger and more > about the commenters and I feel that merging the two of these together > in this way is deceptive and tactically unsound. > > Josh > > Steve Watkins wrote: > > > > The thing is that most of the draconian elements to their proposals, > > is already technically covered by law in many parts of the world. Its > > just a question of there being any resources to follow up every > > potential violation. Imagine how many libelous comments have been made > > on the net, compared to how many every go anywhere near a court. > > > > As for the rest of it, I presume that most states rely on society, > > peer pressure, accepted norms, to provide some control over how civil > > people are to eachother. Its not going to be regulated against very > > often. Where the law does apply it often drags way behind the society > > the law serves, eg the stand up comedians & rock stars who had to > > endure lewd conduct type charges in decades past. But a culture thats > > learnt to emulate such behaviour, teenagers who cant get enough of it, > > and cant get enough of the internet, along with similar stuff from > > many adults out there, makes it hard to see how the sheer volume of > > this stuff could be policed by the state or volunteers on the net. > > > > All I know is that this code isnt going to intimidate any > > intimidators. Intimidation is a powerful tool that gets people to > > shutup far more effectively than this code will, and that is a tragedy > > but a human reality. There are many ironies in this field, such as the > > potential intimidation w would face if lots of people in the > > blogosphere attempted to deeply explore intimidation and coercion and > > how humans use them, and how the internet is merely a new light shon > > onto this sick underbelly of human 'civilisation', rather than a new > > and shocking thing. > > > > Cheers > > > > Steve Elbows > > > > --- In [email protected] > > <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, "Charles Iliya Krempeaux" > > <supercanadian@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have a really bad feeling about all this. > > > > > > I know people have good intentions with all this. But alot of things > > > start out that way. > > > > > > Hopefully this "code" stay voluntary. (And people aren't forced to > > obey it.) > > > > > > > > > See ya > > > > > > On 4/10/07, WWWhatsup <joly@> wrote: > > > > > > > > http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/04/draft_bloggers_1.html > > <http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/04/draft_bloggers_1.html> > > > > > > > > 04.08.07 > > > > Tim O'Reilly > > > > > > > > Tim O'Reilly > > > > Draft Blogger's Code of Conduct > > > > > > > > When I wrote my Call for a Blogging Code of Conduct last week, I > > suggested some > > > > ideas of what such a code might contain, but didn't actually put > > forth a draft that > > > > people could subscribe to. We're not quite there yet, but we have > > a plan. > > > > > > > > We've drafted a code of conduct that will eventually be posted on > > bloggingcode.org, > > > > and created a badge that sites can display if they want to link to > > that code of conduct. > > > > Civility Enforced Badge > > > > > > > > But because we want a period of review, we don't want to finalize > > that code yet. I've > > > > put a draft below (and you'll see it's based closely on the > > BlogHer Community > > > > Guidelines that I linked to last week.) But we're also working > > with wikia to put the > > > > draft through a wiki-based review process on blogging.wikia.com. > > (There's an easy > > > > to remember shortcut link at http://blogging.wikia.com/wiki/BCC > > <http://blogging.wikia.com/wiki/BCC>) > > Please feel free to > > > > join in and edit the wiki as well as encouraging others to do so. > > We'll post the final > > > > version on bloggingcode.org, along with the html to display the > > badge and link to the > > > > code. > > > > > > > > (While wikis are great for developing the code, we don't want it > > to be a moving target > > > > once people have signed up for it.) > > > > > > > > Here's the first draft: > > > > > > > > We celebrate the blogosphere because it embraces frank and open > > conversation. But frankness does not have to mean lack of civility. We > > present this Blogger Code of Conduct in hopes that it helps create a > > culture that encourages both personal expression and constructive > > conversation. > > > > > > > > 1. We take responsibility for our own words and for the comments > > we allow on our blog. > > > > > > > > We are committed to the "Civility Enforced" standard: we will not > > post unacceptable content, and we'll delete comments that contain it. > > > > > > > > We define unacceptable content as anything included or linked to > > that: > > > > - is being used to abuse, harass, stalk, or threaten others > > > > - is libelous, knowingly false, ad-hominem, or misrepresents > > another person, > > > > - infringes upon a copyright or trademark > > > > - violates an obligation of confidentiality > > > > - violates the privacy of others > > > > > > > > We define and determine what is "unacceptable content" on a > > case-by-case basis, and our definitions are not limited to this list. > > If we delete a comment or link, we will say so and explain why. [We > > reserve the right to change these standards at any time with no notice.] > > > > > > > > 2. We won't say anything online that we wouldn't say in person. > > > > > > > > 3. We connect privately before we respond publicly. > > > > > > > > When we encounter conflicts and misrepresentation in the > > blogosphere, we make every > > > > effort to talk privately and directly to the person(s) > > involved--or find an intermediary who > > > > can do so--before we publish any posts or comments about the issue. > > > > > > > > 4. When we believe someone is unfairly attacking another, we take > > action. > > > > > > > > When someone who is publishing comments or blog postings that are > > offensive, we'll > > > > tell them so (privately, if possible--see above) and ask them to > > publicly make amends. > > > > If those published comments could be construed as a threat, > > and the perpetrator > > > > doesn't withdraw them and apologize, we will cooperate with law > > enforcement to protect > > > > the target of the threat. > > > > > > > > 5. We do not allow anonymous comments. > > > > > > > > We require commenters to supply a valid email address before they > > can post, though > > > > we allow commenters to identify themselves with an alias, rather > > than their real name. > > > > > > > > 6. We ignore the trolls. > > > > > > > > We prefer not to respond to nasty comments about us or our blog, > > as long as they > > > > don't veer into abuse or libel. We believe that feeding the trolls > > only encourages > > > > them--"Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, but the pig > > likes it." Ignoring public > > > > attacks is often the best way to contain them. > > > > > > > > anythinggoes2.jpg We also decided we needed an "anything goes" > > badge for sites that > > > > want to warn possible commenters that they are entering a > > free-for-all zone. The text to > > > > accompany that badge might go something like this: > > > > > > > > This is an open, uncensored forum. We are not responsible for the > > comments of any > > > > poster, and when discussions get heated, crude language, insults > > and other "off color" > > > > comments may be encountered. 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