Hey Mike, I'm from Detroit, so I stopped reading your post once you said "Blackhawks". (Just kidding.)
Anyway, I can see both sides to this discussion. Videolibrarians would love to buy more stuff/build their collections and filmmakers would like to sell/distribute their films to a wider audience. It's just a question of how to get there. I know for us, we applied to a bunch of foundations (we're a non-profit) and we asked about distributing free copies to colleges and libraries. We got one small grant to give away copies to a few community centers and civil rights groups, but no one was interested in helping us give copies to colleges and/or libraries. If any of you know foundations or places like that, I would be happy to pursue that. Curtis On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:24 AM, <[email protected]>wrote: > Send videolib mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/[email protected] > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of videolib digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Filmmakers are not your enemies (Mike Tribby) > 2. DVD damage rate (Brigid Duffy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 12:23:22 -0500 > From: Mike Tribby <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Filmmakers are not your enemies > To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > < > ae5353cc4a55324e832da208826294aca954bd8...@qbimail.qbi.quality-books.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > And while we're at it, vendors are not your enemies, either, at least not > this incredibly benevolent vendor. But Curtis, I think one thing that > triggers an adverse reaction in film and video librarians about the > difference in institutional pricing vs. home-use pricing is the vastness of > the difference in some cases. In this case the difference was $300.00 for a > video for universities and colleges vs $25.00 at home-use price. I won't > deny that artists have a right to be remunerated at a higher rate for a work > that will be used repeatedly and either generate admission fees or, > indirectly, tuition fees, but the $275 difference at a time when most > institutions are facing tight or shrinking budgets doesn't generate a lot of > sympathy. Perhaps that's wrong, but the tough economic times bring budgeting > decisions to a more brittle state. > > It's an imperfect example, but consider for a moment the fortunes of the > Chicago Black Hawks of the NHL. The Hawks are family-owned, and under the > previous owner, they were never shown on "free" TV in Chicago and management > fought to hold down the number of times per season that they appeared on > national TV (during times when the NHL actually had a national TV contract, > that is). Even back in the 1960s when some Hawks games were shown on TV, > ownership didn't allow the broadcast to pick up the game until the second > period-- they were "protecting" their season ticket holders. Over the years > as fans had more choices in entertainment and sports venues, the ranks of > Black Hawks fans shrank to the point the team wasn't really in the public > eye very much and attendance at their games started to fall off. Sales of > ancillary Black Hawks stuff also fell of precipitously. > > Then the old owner died and his son put the Hawks back on TV, > re-established contact with former players who had been banished for having > the temerity to go elsewhere for more money, and started actively marketing > the team (as Jessica no doubt remembers, they hired a particularly talented > front office marketing guy away from the Cubs). The result? Interest in the > Black Hawks is on the rise and they sell out most of their games again, > probably because their prominence in the public eye has been raised. And the > fact that they're very good this year helps, too. > > Maybe if a smaller differential between institutional prices and home-use > prices than $300 vs. $25 could be attained, the greater exposure of the > filmmakers' works would result in more sales across the board. Or I've > become so hockey-crazed I've lost any sense of proportion I once had. > > > > > Mike Tribby > Senior Cataloger > Quality Books Inc. > The Best of America's Independent Presses > > mailto:[email protected] > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:24:37 -0700 > From: Brigid Duffy <[email protected]> > Subject: [Videolib] DVD damage rate > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > "Since DVD?s rarely survive a year of academic/student use"?!! > > Here at San Francisco State University we still have the first DVD we > purchased in 1998 on the shelf, and over 3,800 others. We have a DVD > repair machine but only use it a few times a semester. We only check > out to faculty, though - and get replacements from them if they damage > or lose it. > > What do other academic libraries have to say about DVD damage? > > > Brigid Duffy > Academic Technology > San Francisco State University > San Francisco, CA 94132-4200 > E-mail: [email protected] > > On May 13, 2010, at 10:09 AM, John Potter-Smith wrote: > > > I have no problem paying a reasonable price for a program. > > > > Since in your eye, we have the item for use for years and years, > > then you need to sell it on a media that lasts years and years. > > > > Since DVD?s rarely survive a year of academic/student use, it sure > > would be nice if Filmmakers/Vendors provided (free or for shipping > > costs) replacement copies for damaged media formats. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John Potter-Smith > > Library - Audiovisual Technician > > Kwantlen Polytechnic University > > Coast Capital Savings Library > > Phone: 604-599-2405 > > Fax: 604-599-2106 > > > > <image001.png>The Library ... Your Information Destination > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected] > > ] On Behalf Of Curtis Chin > > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:38 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Videolib] Filmmakers are not your enemies > > > > I know I am a newbie here and at the risk of alienating folks, I > > need to speak up for the filmmakers perspective. > > > > Trust me when I say, we filmmakers are not trying to get rich off > > our projects. We just want to make a living and to be fairly > > compensated for our work. Often times, we embark on our films > > because they are subjects that personally matter to us, in my case, > > it was a family friend who had been murdered, and we devote years to > > it without getting any monetary compensation. We are just trying to > > recoup our costs. > > > > Now, why the price difference? It's because you will be showing > > these films as often as you like (for years) and you will be making > > money off our work through tuition and other fees. If you amortize > > it, it's still a pretty good deal for your institutions. Would you > > prefer if we didn't offer the home version and just had the one > > institutional price? > > > > And to show a "home" version when it is specifically stated that is > > not the intended purpose, I think is morally wrong, just like > > downloading copyrighted video or music off the internet. But then, > > again, some people have no problem doing that either. So I suspect > > that I lot of people will be doing that. The loser in that is the > > artist. Sigh. > > > > In the end, we are all trying to help educate the population. We > > share a common goal and it's wrong to think we are your adversaries. > > > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:47 AM, <videolib- > > [email protected]> wrote: > > Send videolib mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/[email protected] > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [email protected] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of videolib digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. When the Levees Broke: PPR (Blaine Waterman) > > 2. Re: Old topic, new rant... (CROWLEY, CHRISTINE) > > 3. ALA vs SilverDocs in DC (Carleton Jackson) > > 4. FW: video dominoes (Hutchison, Jane) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 17:04:19 -0700 > > From: Blaine Waterman <[email protected]> > > Subject: [Videolib] When the Levees Broke: PPR > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: > > < > 79b252d4661f4642b4be6d6eef6eddd8cd21760...@exchangembx.sf-library.org > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Has anyone on the list screened Spike Lee's Katrina documentary? > > If so, how/who/how much?? :) > > > > TIA, > > > > Blaine Waterman > > Film and Television Specialist > > San Francisco Public Library > > 415.557.4461 > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > Official SFPL use only > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > > HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 19:54:26 -0500 > > From: "CROWLEY, CHRISTINE" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Old topic, new rant... > > To: <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > I see no reason that the home video cannot be purchased for that > > use, unless for reason the "seminar" is outside the realm of a > > classroom situation....and the university is clearly not a for- > > profit institution. > > > > Christine Crowley > > Dean of Learning Resources > > Northwest Vista College > > 3535 N. Ellison Dr. > > San Antonio, TX 78251 > > 210.486.4572 office > > 210.486.4504 fax > > [email protected] > > Northwest Vista College is one of the Alamo Colleges > > www.alamo.edu/nvc/lrc > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: [email protected] on behalf of John Potter- > > Smith > > Sent: Wed 5/12/2010 5:30 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Old topic, new rant... > > > > > > > > Welcome to Canada !! > > > > > > > > This is what we face every day, we have no choice of not purchasing > > University copies with PPR (Public Performance Rights) like you > > lucky folks do in the US. > > > > > > > > John Potter-Smith > > > > Library - Audiovisual Technician > > > > Kwantlen Polytechnic University > > > > Coast Capital Savings Library > > > > Phone: 604-599-2405 > > > > Fax: 604-599-2106 > > > > > > > > ED00172_< > https://mail.alamo.edu/exchange/ccrowley5/Drafts/RE:%20[Videolib]%20Old%20topic,%20new%20rant....EML/1_multipart/image001.png > > > The Library ... Your Information Destination > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected] > > ] On Behalf Of Merle J. Slyhoff > > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:31 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Videolib] Old topic, new rant... > > > > > > > > $300.00 for a video for universities and colleges vs $25.00 for a > > video for home use and one faculty member wants to view it to maybe > > show to a seminar of 15 students... and I have to say no because I > > can't fit it into the budget at $300.00. No one will ever convince > > me that this cost differential is justifiable when it's being used > > in the classroom for 15 students. > > > > > > > > OK, said it, no need to reply because I know what you'll all say. J > > > > > > > > Merle > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > Merle J. Slyhoff V: 215-898-9013 > > > > Collection Development & F: 215-898-6619 > > > > Resource Sharing Librarian E: [email protected] > > > > Biddle Law Library > > > > University of Pennsylvania > > > > 3460 Chestnut Street > > > > Philadelphia, PA 19104-3406 > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed and removed. > > Name: not available > > Type: application/ms-tnef > > Size: 9447 bytes > > Desc: not available > > Non-text attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 08:55:12 -0400 > > From: Carleton Jackson <[email protected]> > > Subject: [Videolib] ALA vs SilverDocs in DC > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed > > > > > > Greetings VRT-ers: > > > > Well, not really a "VS" but a concurrence. > > > > Just wanted to let you folks know who are trying to do both at DC that > > the SilverDocs schedule is slowly being revealed. Each year there is a > > theme that precedes and follows the Guggenheim honoree. We can finally > > tell you that this years honoree is Frederick Wiseman. He and his > > films > > will be present at both the Festival and Conference. Those of you who > > are trying out the educator pass for Friday or are around Saturday > > night > > may have access to an event or two with him. I'm trying to see if > > one or > > a combination of vouchers can get you into the big Guggenheim event > > too. > > Stay tuned... > > > > > http://silverdocs.com/news-links/2010/05/06/frederick-wiseman-named-guggenheim-honoree/ > > > > Also: if some of you were thinking of the educator pass, but couldn't > > decide or were sold out, there are a few back, however at $150 price > > now. Still, if you missed out on an ALA preconference but still have > > at > > least Friday free, its well worth it, and cheaper then most > > preconferences. > > > > > https://secure2.convio.net/afi/site/Ecommerce/1989794434?VIEW_PRODUCT=true&product_id=1481&store_id=1301 > > > > As usual, any questions feel free to contact me directly. And it is > > possible to be two places at the same time. > > > > Carleton > > > > > > -- > > Carleton L. Jackson > > Librarian, Nonprint Media Services Library > > University of Maryland Libraries > > 0300 R. Lee Hornbake Library > > College Park, Maryland 20742-7011 > > 301-405-9226 voice / 301-314-9419 fax > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:43:35 -0400 > > From: "Hutchison, Jane" <[email protected]> > > Subject: [Videolib] FW: video dominoes > > To: <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: > > < > 4d509e6f1d635043bc720a5b2a4eae6507dd5...@callisto.unv.campus.wpunj.edu > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Many of you have brought up the fact that your video collections were > > going. > > > > > > > > I thought you'd get a kick out of this. > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2Qup0kA6kw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jane B. Hutchison > > > > Associate Director > > President > > > > Instruction & Research Technology CCUMC: > > Leadership in Media & Academic Technology > > > > William Paterson University > > http://www.ccumc.org > > > > Wayne, NJ 07470 > > > > 973-720-2980 (work) > > > > 973-418-7727 (cell) > > > > 973-720-2585 (facs) > > > > [email protected] > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > > HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > > > End of videolib Digest, Vol 30, Issue 23 > > **************************************** > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, > > acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current > > and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. 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