Well re section 108. If you have that deteriorating VHS you can't replace and do a transfer, it can't leave the library My argument was with the "preservation' of said material. If you are just transferring it than it is not preservation , at least not in the way I think of it. If you are actually spending money to do a preservation it would be insane to do this without the copyright holders permission (if you can find them) and checking if the material exists beyond the US. Again this topic came up and someone did mention some French shorts that were held by a library, I know for a fact those shorts are preserved in France and copyright protected so spending any money on them and actually telling librarians NOT to check with rights holder, which this person did is stupid and could lead to a mess of legal trouble assuming you ever want the "preserved" material to leave the library.
FYI the imdb link did not come up for me so I could not tell which version. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:21 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > ah what would I do without my daily Jessica annoyance. > > The Berlin Alexanderplatz on the list is the one directed by Phil Jutzi > (1931)...not the 1980 TV series (on Criterion) > > The Leopard, you're right...we have the DVD and it shouldn't be on the > list. > > I've included IMDB listings to distinguish the versions. The Uncle Tom in > question is the (really horrible) one directed Géza von Radványi (France | > Italy | West Germany | Yugoslavia, 1965). The Jekyll/Hyde is Herbert > Brenon's 1913 version. So, you see, I DO know what I'm doing (generally) > > The NYU project is very likely going to focus primarily on non-theatrical > titles. Jessica: The only difference between out of distribution feature > films and out of distribution non-theatrical works from an archivist's > perspective is the fact that the owners of the latter almost always have > more economic clout and wherewithall to challenge efforts to > preserve/conserve. > > Section 108 of the copyright law makes no distinction whatsoever between > features and others. > > gary > > > > Gary > > I looked at this list VERY quickly and there are two obvious mistakes. > The > > Leopard & Berlin Alexanderplatz are both on DVD from Criterion > > There many others where I am not sure which version you are looking for, > > say > > Uncle Tom's Cabin, Dr. Jeckyl. On Genesis is that is the African feature, > > Kino has it. > > > > I am less than certain how "good" the NYU project is as there is HUGE > > difference between some very rare educational type films that are not DVD > > and > > studio, indie & foreign films that are not. I had my little > > "disagreement" > > with one the main people behind this , who told a session at ALA that one > > should NOT contact the rights holder regarding the rights because they > > might > > actually say no, therefor the goal was merely to establish that the item > > was > > rare and not available and the rights were irrelevant. Not only is that a > > deliberate attempt to violate copyright but would lead to an incredibly > > stupid waste of resources. Why in the world would a US library "preserve" > > some early french short already archival preserved in their home country > ( > > and this was actually one item that was mentioned at said ALA session). > > > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:35 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hi all > >> > >> I think I mentioned awhile back the interesting Mellon funded grant > >> project that NYU and UCB are currently working on... It's a > >> preservation > >> project aimed at identifying (and dealing with) video titles that are > >> out-of-distribution and physically at risk (particularly titles that > >> have > >> limited US holdings) > >> > >> In any case, as part of this project, I just culled thru Berkeley's > >> feature film holdings and identified the vhs titles that are not > >> currently > >> available on DVD in the US marketplace. The list, fyi, is attached. > >> > >> A few caveats: We haven't as yet done an extensive search for > >> legal-copy > >> DVD replacements in the OP marketplace (e.g. amazon marketplace), nor > >> have > >> we searched non-US sources at this point. This is just a quick first > >> pass. > >> The list also does not, at the moment, include stuff such as shorts > >> (silents, avant garde, animation etc.)that are currently only available > >> on > >> VHS anthologies. > >> > >> PS: Chris Lewis...weren't you maintaining a list of titles that had > >> never > >> been released on DVD? If so, could you pls publish the list. Merci! > >> > >> Gary Handman > >> Director > >> Media Resources Center > >> Moffitt Library > >> UC Berkeley > >> > >> 510-643-8566 > >> [email protected] > >> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC > >> > >> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." > >> --Francois Truffaut > >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > >> issues > >> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > >> control, > >> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries > >> and > >> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an > >> effective > >> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > >> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > >> distributors. > >> > >> > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve > > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel > of > > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > > producers and distributors. > > > > > Gary Handman > Director > Media Resources Center > Moffitt Library > UC Berkeley > > 510-643-8566 > [email protected] > http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC > > "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." > --Francois Truffaut > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. >
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
