Likewise, When we transferred to an open stacks collection three years ago, much of our VHS collection that had not circulated for over 3 years (at that time) were moved to compact shelving storage, available for paging. Fortunately, for us this is an onsite storage solution -though in the depths of the building several stories and scary elevators- below. We also already owned the compact shelving. Still, we make the trek maybe a couple times a month, hardly worth the storage space to be honest.
This is not news to you Gary, but just to riff off of Chris a bit...Obviously, if there are foreign films that are used frequently or are out of print/difficult or expensive to repurchase, I would definitely keep the backup VHS copy. Also, Chris' point regarding DVD-R (common with these flicks) should be considered, one man's playable disc is another's coaster. Best, Scott On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:09 AM, <videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu>wrote: > Send videolib mailing list submissions to > videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > videolib-ow...@lists.berkeley.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of videolib digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: adios vhs? (Chris Lewis) > 2. Re: adios vhs? (Mike Tribby) > 3. Re: adios vhs? (ghand...@library.berkeley.edu) > 4. Re: adios vhs? (ghand...@library.berkeley.edu) > 5. Re: adios vhs? (ghand...@library.berkeley.edu) > 6. Re: Fountain Tours of Kansas City? (Brigid Duffy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:47:50 -0400 > From: Chris Lewis <cle...@american.edu> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] adios vhs? > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Message-ID: > <aanlktikpojsfpt0ltrhu1su4xjayjs_mu=83urpjh...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I hover over our usage statistics and make an occasional go at the VHS > collection. After dealing with space crunches for years, we added what > Gemtrac compact shelving we could onsite and sent to storage every VHS > tape that hadn't circulated in five years. Offsite storage for us > means two days retrieval time. As you know VHS tapes occasionally get > called into action because a DVD is scratched so it's a worthy > insurance policy to keep at least one spare if you have it. In my mind > storage space is relatively cheap compared to the value of many of > these items when they're needed. > > We've been doing selective interlibrary loan for about four years and > one of the conditions of lending is replaceability. When reviewing > requests I've been surprised by the number of DVDs that are suddenly > unavailable so backup VHS copies do come in handy and you often won't > know which ones you need until the time comes. Another issue is DVD-Rs > that were purchased as replacements. These are so finicky and delicate > that VHS again is needed to insure stable playback in some classrooms. > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:05 PM, <ghand...@library.berkeley.edu> wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I think I need input and/or moral support: ?for various reasons having to > > do with space and projected library renovation plans here at UCB, I'm > > taking a hard and fairly ruthless look at the collection. > > > > We currently have somewhere around 5K international cinema titles, about > > 96% of which we've re-bought on DVD. ?As an alternative to sending these > > out to storage (thereby completely blowing my storage quota), I am very > > seriously considering...gulp!...de-accessioning them. ?This makes me > > nervous and breaks my heart (for which reasons I'm not exactly sure). > > > > Have any of you larger academic collections gone this route? ?Are there > > compelling reasons NOT to go down this road? ?I realize that there are > > certain benefits to vhs (such as the ability to easily cue) and that some > > faculty prefer the format, still... For a largely non-archival > collection, > > it seems crazy to hold onto fading formats forever. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Gary > > > > > > Gary Handman > > Director > > Media Resources Center > > Moffitt Library > > UC Berkeley > > > > 510-643-8566 > > ghand...@library.berkeley.edu > > http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC > > > > "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." > > --Francois Truffaut > > > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > > > > > > -- > Chris Lewis > Media Librarian > American University Library > 202.885.3257 > > Please think twice before printing this e-mail. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:50:53 -0500 > From: Mike Tribby <mike.tri...@quality-books.com> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] adios vhs? > To: "'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu'" <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> > Message-ID: > < > ae5353cc4a55324e832da208826294aca964964...@qbimail.qbi.quality-books.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > One advantage of working for a vendor rather than a library is that I never > have to weed or worry about storage space. However, in my personal > collection, I do have to worry about those factors and I've encountered a > problem with VHS tapes degrading and becoming unplayable over time. Does > that enter into your situation Gary? > > > Under no illusion that DVDs will last forever, > > Mike Tribby > > Senior Cataloger > Quality Books Inc. > The Best of America's Independent Presses > > mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:09:31 -0700 > From: ghand...@library.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Videolib] adios vhs? > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Message-ID: > <c3275c02292034f14a910361cca55124.squir...@calmail.berkeley.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 > > VHS degradation hasn't been a major issue for us, particularly since the > circulation of vhs has been declining for the past 10 years. > > gary > > > > One advantage of working for a vendor rather than a library is that I > > never have to weed or worry about storage space. However, in my personal > > collection, I do have to worry about those factors and I've encountered a > > problem with VHS tapes degrading and becoming unplayable over time. Does > > that enter into your situation Gary? > > > > > > Under no illusion that DVDs will last forever, > > > > Mike Tribby > > > > Senior Cataloger > > Quality Books Inc. > > The Best of America's Independent Presses > > > > mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com > > > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve > > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel > of > > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > > producers and distributors. > > > > > Gary Handman > Director > Media Resources Center > Moffitt Library > UC Berkeley > > 510-643-8566 > ghand...@library.berkeley.edu > http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC > > "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." > --Francois Truffaut > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:12:59 -0700 > From: ghand...@library.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Videolib] adios vhs? > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Message-ID: > <949a78a53cc77e90be08656278c7c7e8.squir...@calmail.berkeley.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 > > Thanks, Rue! This is helpful > > I'm only looking at feature films on vhs at the moment. We have about 14K > documentary, performance, primary source titles on vhs that I'm not > touching at the moment (although we are sending big chunks of this stuff > out to remote storage) > > Gary > > > > I was in this position (for various reasons) last year. I have problems > > with wholesale withdrawals/disposals of media based entirely on format > > (which has been seen as quite OK by some here and I guess necessary at > > times) and need to keep a balanced perspective, so the considerations I > > focused on were: > > > > Our campus is having a harder time supporting certain formats, and > VHS is > > one of them. > > Our media collection in general has been allocated less and less > physical > > space in the past few years, primarily due to two complete physical moves > > to different floors in the building. This diminishing space > includes > > both our open stacks and on-site storage. > > Many of the heavily used VHS titles, particularly feature films, > have > > been purchased on DVD. Many of those had multiple copies on VHS. > > Upon further review, some of our multi-part series had become less > > valuable because of missing parts. > > I was allocated additional funds to replace VHS with DVD whenever > > possible and appropriate. > > > > Anyway, we ended up letting go of thousands of titles to start. We still > > have thousands more in our collection. It takes time if you want to > > handle the withdrawal process adequately. And it definitely takes time to > > handle the replacement on DVD process. I am surprised at the number of > > heavily used titles in our VHS collection that simply are not available > on > > any other format. Many are still in fine condition and we can still > > provide VHS players (on a limited basis). On occasion I still purchase > > VHS titles new to the collection when specifically requested and there is > > no alternative. > > > > Gary, regarding your VHS international cinema titles now owned on DVD, I > > would first let go of any multiple VHS copies. I guess you can assume for > > the majority that if they've been purchased on DVD, they are out there to > > be replaced on DVD if needed. Those users with a preference for VHS > might > > have to adjust, but how often would that really come up? Of course DVD > is > > the format of choice for faculty and students. Hey...me too I guess. > > Unfortunately, I feel DVDs are a terrible alternative to VHS regarding > > their lifespan. For a circulating collection with so many different > > users, DVDs bite the dust so much sooner than VHS. At least in my years > > of experience. > > > > Bottom line, if space is an issue for you as it has become for me, it > > seems best to use that space for video titles that are still used and > > valuable/unique, but not available in any other format than VHS. > > > > Rue > > > > > > Rue McKenzie > > Coordinator of Media Collections > > Academic Resources > > University of South Florida, Tampa Library > > 813-974-6342 > > > > "We have met the enemy, and he is us." -- Pogo > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu > > [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of > > ghand...@library.berkeley.edu > > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:06 PM > > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > Subject: [Videolib] adios vhs? > > > > Hi all > > > > I think I need input and/or moral support: for various reasons having to > > do with space and projected library renovation plans here at UCB, I'm > > taking a hard and fairly ruthless look at the collection. > > > > We currently have somewhere around 5K international cinema titles, about > > 96% of which we've re-bought on DVD. As an alternative to sending these > > out to storage (thereby completely blowing my storage quota), I am very > > seriously considering...gulp!...de-accessioning them. This makes me > > nervous and breaks my heart (for which reasons I'm not exactly sure). > > > > Have any of you larger academic collections gone this route? Are there > > compelling reasons NOT to go down this road? I realize that there are > > certain benefits to vhs (such as the ability to easily cue) and that some > > faculty prefer the format, still... For a largely non-archival > collection, > > it seems crazy to hold onto fading formats forever. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Gary > > > > > > Gary Handman > > Director > > Media Resources Center > > Moffitt Library > > UC Berkeley > > > > 510-643-8566 > > ghand...@library.berkeley.edu > > http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC > > > > "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." > > --Francois Truffaut > > > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve > > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel > of > > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > > producers and distributors. > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve > > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel > of > > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > > producers and distributors. > > > > > Gary Handman > Director > Media Resources Center > Moffitt Library > UC Berkeley > > 510-643-8566 > ghand...@library.berkeley.edu > http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC > > "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." > --Francois Truffaut > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:24:28 -0700 > From: ghand...@library.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Videolib] adios vhs? > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Message-ID: > <ab9e96c57831d9b8af819d1bc78d2ba0.squir...@calmail.berkeley.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 > > Unfortunately, Mike, storage at UC can't be negotiated. We have a huge > remote storage facility (about 6 miles from here). Individual unit quotas > for sending stuff out are strictly governed by dollars and space > availability. Negotiation is pretty much out of the question. > > Again, the prospect of liquidating the majority of our vhs features > collection pains me, largely for sentimental reasons and a niggling fear > of titles on DVD going OP. The titles which are currently OP or have > never been released on DVD will, of course, be retained. The rest of the > stuff can't logically said to be unique in any sense. > > Gary > > > > It sounds like you are more concerned about storage space than > > de-accessioning the tapes. Why? Storage can be negotiated, but once you > > withdraw the tapes, they are gone forever. Are you saving that space for > > something more important? > > > > If you have unique and extensive collections, they don't have to be > > archival to be worth extra consideration. If you put all or some of tapes > > in storage now, you can reevaluate the situation in five or ten years. > > > > Mike > > > > Michael May > > Adult Services Librarian > > Carnegie-Stout Public Library > > 360 West 11th Street > > Dubuque, IA 52001-4697, USA > > Phone: 563-589-4225 ext. 2244 > > Fax: 563-589-4217 > > Email: m...@dubuque.lib.ia.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu > > [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of > > ghand...@library.berkeley.edu > > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:06 PM > > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > Subject: [Videolib] adios vhs? > > > > Hi all > > > > I think I need input and/or moral support: for various reasons having to > > do with space and projected library renovation plans here at UCB, I'm > > taking a hard and fairly ruthless look at the collection. > > > > We currently have somewhere around 5K international cinema titles, about > > 96% of which we've re-bought on DVD. As an alternative to sending these > > out to storage (thereby completely blowing my storage quota), I am very > > seriously considering...gulp!...de-accessioning them. This makes me > > nervous and breaks my heart (for which reasons I'm not exactly sure). > > > > Have any of you larger academic collections gone this route? Are there > > compelling reasons NOT to go down this road? I realize that there are > > certain benefits to vhs (such as the ability to easily cue) and that some > > faculty prefer the format, still... For a largely non-archival > collection, > > it seems crazy to hold onto fading formats forever. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Gary > > > > > > Gary Handman > > Director > > Media Resources Center > > Moffitt Library > > UC Berkeley > > > > 510-643-8566 > > ghand...@library.berkeley.edu > > http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC > > > > "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." > > --Francois Truffaut > > > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve > > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel > of > > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > > producers and distributors. > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve > > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel > of > > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > > producers and distributors. > > > > > Gary Handman > Director > Media Resources Center > Moffitt Library > UC Berkeley > > 510-643-8566 > ghand...@library.berkeley.edu > http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC > > "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." > --Francois Truffaut > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:08:31 -0700 > From: Brigid Duffy <bdu...@sfsu.edu> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Fountain Tours of Kansas City? > To: <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> > Message-ID: <7f2b99bd-411f-4905-9477-5f56a7898...@sfsu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Yes, the Country Club Plaza is probably the best neighborhood in town > for fountains. > > Check out > > http://www.kcfountains.org/index.html > > > http://www.visitkc.com/this-is-kansas-city/favorites--discoveries/kc-fountains/index.aspx > > > On a related topic, the check out the "Fall for KC" special deals at > > http://www.visitkc.com/index.aspx > > Hope this helps. > > Brigid Duffy > Academic Technology > San Francisco State University > San Francisco, CA 94132-4200 > E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu > > > > > > On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:18 AM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I see from the online literature about Kansas City that it?s known > > as the ?City of Fountains.? Does anyone know if there?s any kind of > > tour of the city that makes stops at some of the more beautiful and > > interesting fountains? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Matt > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > Matt Ball > > Media and Collections Librarian > > University of Virginia > > Charlottesville, VA 22904 > > mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, > > acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current > > and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. 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