I wouldn't...the good folks at UCLA probably would. The jury is still out.
gary handman
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> OK, here's my scenario:<br>
> <br>
> The Library owns a title on dvd. A faculty member in the past, has
> checked this dvd out and shown it in its entirety to his class in a
> face-to-face environment. He now wants to stream the title over our
> e-Learning system, in it's entirety. Can we have our IT department
> convert this to streaming media and then mount it in our e-Learning
> system, for currently enrolled students in their class, without
> asking for permission from the copyright holder to convert the
> format to digital? The argument I am faced with is 'I can use this
> in my classroom (face-to-face) in its entirety, so I should be able
> to do this in our online teaching system'.<br>
> <br>
> I understand you can show clips in face-to-face and inside an
> e-Learning system, but can you stream the entire film in this venue,
> without getting permission?<br>
> <br>
> I feel like I should know this and be confident about my response,
> but I find I second-guessing myself. I always lean towards the
> philosophy that it is better to get permission than to do something
> that may be against copyright.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks in advance for your comments.<br>
> <br>
> And Michael, thanks for the web-tool!<br>
> <br>
> Jeanne<br>
> <br>
> On 8/9/2011 4:50 PM, Brewer, Michael wrote:
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> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
> "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
> 73, 125);">The tool asks if the copy is a legal one. If
> you
> say “no” then it notes that the copy must be
> legal. It also
> provides a note with a lot of information about what is or
> is not legal, etc. Not sure how much more I could add in
> to
> the tool (a lie detector app?). Also, the latest LOC
> 1201
> rules have been incorporated into this tool (so it allows
> for reformatting for 110 uses).
> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
> "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
> 73, 125);">mb<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
> "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
> 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 10pt;"><span
> style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family:
> "Arial","sans-serif"; color: gray;">Michael
> Brewer</span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family:
> "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
> 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 10pt;"><span
> style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family:
> "Arial","sans-serif"; color: gray;">Team
> Leader for Instructional Services</span><span
> style="font-family:
> "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
> 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 10pt;"><span
> style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family:
> "Arial","sans-serif"; color: gray;">University
> of Arizona Libraries</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;
> font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
> color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family:
> "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="mailto:[email protected]";
>
> title="blocked::mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a></span><span
> style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
> "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
> 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
> "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
> 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
> font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
> style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
> "Tahoma","sans-serif";">
> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
> href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>
> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
> href="mailto:[email protected]";>mailto:[email protected]</a>]
> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jessica Rosner<br>
> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:55 PM<br>
> <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
> href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a><br>
> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Videolib] Public Performance Rights in
> Academic Libraries<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">I agree, but
> it does not seem that this qualification of a "copy" is
> limited to clips ( FYI it is NOT limited to streaming) and
> could lead to major confusion.<br>
> This is a sensitive issue because SCMS and others "academics"
> have pretty much claimed "any" copy is legal including one
> made by a friend off TV 5 years ago and then digitized.
> Believe it or not I am not trying to be difficult but is it
> clear that the copy of the legal copy is only clips and not
> whole films under "face to face"?<o:p></o:p></p>
> <div>
> <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Brewer,
> Michael <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>
> href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>>
> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
> <div>
> <div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
> 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">In order to stream a
> “limited and reasonable portion” of a film,
> which is
> allowable under 110(2) under the conditions provided
> in the tool (and we’ve been over this before on
> this
> listerv), you have to create a digital copy of
> that
> portion of the work.
> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
> 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">mb
> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
> 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
> 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 10pt;">
> <span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: gray;">Michael
> Brewer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 10pt;">
> <span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: gray;">Team
> Leader for Instructional
> Services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 10pt;">
> <span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: gray;">University
> of Arizona Libraries</span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
> 7.5pt; color: navy;"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="mailto:[email protected]";
> target="_blank"
>
> title="blocked::mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
> 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
> 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
> </div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size:
> 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:
> 10pt;">
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="mailto:[email protected]";
> target="_blank">[email protected]</a>
> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="mailto:[email protected]";
> target="_blank">[email protected]</a>]
> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jessica Rosner<br>
> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:37
> PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> <div>
> <div>
> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br>
> <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="mailto:[email protected]";
> target="_blank">[email protected]</a><br>
> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Videolib] Public Performance
> Rights in Academic Libraries<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""> <o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Um
> are you saying it is OK to use a "reproduction of a
> legal copy" ? That would actually be a bootleg
> or
> pirate copy which is not legal. Copying is one of
> the exclusive rights of the copyright holder and I
> don't want to get bogged down on the exemption of
> making and archive copy of an original that is
> physical danger since you can't use those in
> classes anyway. Could you please clarify
> this?<o:p></o:p></p>
> <div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="">On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at
> 3:17 PM, Brewer, Michael <<a
> moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="mailto:[email protected]";
> target="_blank">[email protected]</a>>
> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
> <div>
> <div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
> style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
> 125);">Just a plug for the eTool for
> Instructors, which can help you determine
> whether or not your performance/display
> falls under either portion of Section 110
> and then collect the information you would
> need to support that performance/display in
> PDF format.
> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
> style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
> 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
> style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
> 125);"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://librarycopyright.net/etool/";
>
> target="_blank">http://librarycopyright.net/etool/</a>
> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
> style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
> 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
> style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
> 125);">mb</span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
> style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
> 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 10pt;">
> <span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color:
> gray;">Michael
> Brewer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 10pt;">
> <span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color:
> gray;">Team
> Leader for Instructional
> Services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 10pt;">
> <span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color:
> gray;">University
> of Arizona Libraries</span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
> style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: navy;"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="mailto:[email protected]";
> target="_blank"
>
> title="blocked::mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
> style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
> 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span
> style="font-size:
> 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
> style="font-size: 10pt;">
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>
> href="mailto:[email protected]";
>
> target="_blank">[email protected]</a>
> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>
> href="mailto:[email protected]";
>
> target="_blank">[email protected]</a>]
> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jessica Rosner<br>
> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:11
> AM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
> style="font-size: 10pt;"><br>
> <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="mailto:[email protected]";
>
> target="_blank">[email protected]</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
> </div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span
> style="font-size:
> 10pt;">Subject:</span></b><span
> style="font-size: 10pt;"> Re: [Videolib]
> Public Performance Rights in Academic
> Libraries</span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <div>
> <div>
> <p class="MsoNormal"
> style=""> <o:p></o:p></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
> 12pt;">Again this is one of the parts of
> copyright law that is very clear. In
> general any showing outside of
> home/personal setting is considered a
> public performance and requires a license/
> permission from the rights holder. The
> one exception is the "face to face "
> teaching exemption, this allows full
> length films to be used in classes under
> the following conditions, the film is
> shown in a classroom or similar place of
> instruction, an instructor is present, the
> film is part of a course syllabus and the
> only students allowed to view a film are
> students enrolled in the course. Bottom
> line you can show the film in a "real"
> class, any other screenings on campus even
> if they are for "educational purposes" do
> not charge admission, are not open to
> anyone off campus etc ARE in fact public
> performances that require a license. I
> have heard every excuse in the book over
> the years. In many cases they are from
> people or groups who are genuinely
> ignorant of the law which while not a
> legal defense makes me a little more
> inclined not to throw the book at them,
> but there are also people who very
> deliberately break the law claiming
> everything from "they are helping more
> people see the movie" to it is really a
> "class" it just has no syllabus, papers,
> instructor or class sessions outside of
> the film showings.<br>
> <br>
> Again this is not much of a gray.
> Technically even something like an
> academic conference would not be
> considered face to face as it is not a
> specific class of enrolled students though
> most companies are happy to waive this.<br>
> <br>
> Bottom line is that the film showing
> is
> part of aregular , real class, limited
> to
> students specifically enrolled in that
> class and shown in a classroom or similar
> room it is covered by the face to face
> exemption, ANYTHING else is a public
> performance.<br>
> <br>
> One side note. The number of students in
> the class makes no difference. It is an
> intro class at a large school with 400
> students it would still be covered by face
> to face.<o:p></o:p></p>
> <div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="">On Tue, Aug
> 9, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Chris Markman <<a
> moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="mailto:[email protected]";
> target="_blank">[email protected]</a>>
> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
> <div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="">As a
> matter of practicality, where is
> the
> cut off between public and private
> screenings in an academic setting? Is
> it the facilities, funding,
> advertising, intended audience, or all
> of the above?<o:p></o:p></p>
> </div>
> <div>
> <p class="MsoNormal"
> style=""> <o:p></o:p></p>
> </div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
> 12pt;"><span style="color: rgb(136, 136,
> 136);">Chris Markman<br>
> Resource Library Coordinator<br>
> Visual & Performing Arts<br>
> Clark University<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="tel:508.793.7481"
> target="_blank">508.793.7481</a><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="mailto:[email protected]";
>
> target="_blank">[email protected]</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <div>
> <div>
> <div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="">On
> Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:51 AM,
> Shoaf,Judith P <<a
> moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="mailto:[email protected]";
> target="_blank">[email protected]</a>>
> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
> </div>
> </div>
> <blockquote style="border-width: medium
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> -moz-use-text-color rgb(204, 204,
> 204);">
> <div>
> <div>
> <div>
> <div>
> <p><span style="font-size:
> 10pt; color: black;">This
> discussion reminded me of
> an event in my freshman
> year. Kenneth Clark's
> Civilisation series had
> recently been shown on TV,
> I think, but not many
> undergrads had (or cared
> to have, except maybe at 6
> pm) television access. The
> university sponsored a
> showing of the series as
> films projected on the big
> screen--where the images
> were ravishing and the
> event really had a
> community feeling
> (definitely more than 50
> people there every
> evening!). I suppose they
> rented rather than
> purchased the films. (A
> few years later, my
> husband and I bonded over
> a similar showing of the
> restored Astaire-Rogers
> RKO films.)
> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p><span style="font-size:
> 10pt; color:
> black;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p><span style="font-size:
> 10pt; color: black;">Since
> Civilisation was I think
> long featured in Ambrose
> Media's collection, I
> think of that when I think
> of the combination of
> institutional price +
> limited PPR that Ambrose
> sells. Of course showing a
> videotape of an older
> series to 50 students is
> not at all the same as the
> "event" quality I am
> recalling. Nowadays the
> event tends to be the
> actual broadcast, which
> gathers people in common
> areas with TV viewing (or
> something like the Met's
> HD opera broadcasts, which
> form local & virtual
> communities).
> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p><span style="font-size:
> 10pt; color:
> black;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p><span style="font-size:
> 10pt; color: black;">But
> memories like that do lead
> me to support the idea of
> film societies *with
> budgets*!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p><span style="font-size:
> 10pt; color:
> black;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
> <p><span style="font-size:
> 10pt; color: black;">Judy
> Shoaf</span><o:p></o:p></p>
> </div>
> </div>
> <p class="MsoNormal"
> style=""> <o:p></o:p></p>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <p class="MsoNormal"
> style="margin-bottom:
> 12pt;">VIDEOLIB
> is intended to encourage the broad
> and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection,
> evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current
> and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related
> institutions. It is hoped that the
> list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians,
> as well as a channel of
> communication between
> libraries,educational
> institutions, and video producers
> and distributors.<o:p></o:p></p>
> </div>
> </blockquote>
> </div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
> 12pt;"><br>
> <br>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the
> broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and
> evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that
> the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as
> well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational
> institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.<o:p></o:p></p>
> </div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
> 12pt;"><br>
> <br clear="all">
> <br>
> -- <br>
> Jessica Rosner<br>
> Media Consultant<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="tel:224-545-3897"
> target="_blank">224-545-3897</a>
> (cell)<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="tel:212-627-1785"
> target="_blank">212-627-1785</a>
> (land line)<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="mailto:[email protected]";
>
> target="_blank">[email protected]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and
> lively discussion of issues relating to the
> selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and
> evolving video formats in libraries and related
> institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians,
> as well as a channel of communication between
> libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.<o:p></o:p></p>
> </div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br>
> <br clear="all">
> <br>
> -- <br>
> Jessica Rosner<br>
> Media Consultant<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:224-545-3897"
> target="_blank">224-545-3897</a> (cell)<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:212-627-1785"
> target="_blank">212-627-1785</a> (land line)<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="mailto:[email protected]";
>
> target="_blank">[email protected]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively
> discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of
> current and evolving video formats in libraries and related
> institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
> effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a
> channel of communication between libraries,educational
> institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.<o:p></o:p></p>
> </div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br>
> <br clear="all">
> <br>
> -- <br>
> Jessica Rosner<br>
> Media Consultant<br>
> 224-545-3897 (cell)<br>
> 212-627-1785 (land line)<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="mailto:[email protected]";
> target="_blank">[email protected]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
> </div>
> <pre wrap="">
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> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
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> </html>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley
510-643-8566
[email protected]
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
distributors.
