Nahum,
That may very well be true; I cannot speak for all public libraries/systems.
That's also not to say just because there is a public meeting room or even an
auditorium that it is used for screenings also. Many libraries do not bother
with film programming, regrettably. But there is a big difference between a
public library doing public programming (for which titles would necessarily
need PPR) and patrons browsing open stacks (and still in this day and age,
browsing cards that represent titles kept in closed stacks for security
reasons) and picking up a few things to take home to watch. That is what is
termed home use only and strictly copyright protected. Public libraries cannot
plunk down $100+ for a dvd that's home use only. Won't/cannot happen. Thus the
price adjustment downwards by an increasing amount of distributors.
Potentially, you could be looking at one copy for a system of say, 10 federated
libraries, or a really large system of 90
branches. Obviously there's a profit margin in there, if you are open to it.
Of course libraries that plan on public screenings either need one time only
permission depending on what the film/dvd is or more often merely will purchase
a copy with PPR for the permanent collection. My question was aimed at what you
are doing to get your titles exposed to a greater audience.
Elizabeth McMahon
From: nahum laufer <lauf...@netvision.net.il>
>To: 'elizabeth mcmahon' <elizmcma...@yahoo.com>; videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 1:40 PM
>Subject: RE: [Videolib] re Your pricing policies
>
>
>Hi Elizabeth
>Thanks for your remarks.
>Of course I distribute to Public libraries, but to best of my knowledge most
>libraries today have a screening room, nearly all also have film
>series/clubs, so no point in licensing only for "lending only", yet when a
>small community library applied to me I gave a discount.
>Also a big county library with 20 branches wants say 10 copies one for each
>branch also will receive a discount.
>Please let me know in which library you serve.
>Best
>Nahum Laufer
>Sales
>Docs for Education
>Erez Laufer Films
>Holland st 10
>Afulla 18371
>Israel
>
>
>From:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
>[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of elizabeth mcmahon
>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:27 PM
>To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>Subject: Re: [Videolib] re Your pricing policies
>
>From a public library standpoint, would not "library lending rights" be
>analogous to the accepted term home use only? Or does you company not sell, or
>seek to sell, to public libraries? $175 is prohibitive at best, and is more in
>line for a title with the cost for PPR. Are you not interested in selling
>freely circulating copies that can be borrowed by the public to enjoy in the
>confines of their own home? More and more top drawer distributors recognize
>they are missing out on considerable sales by not doing so, and therefore,
>changing their pricing models.
>
>
>
>Elizabeth McMahon
>
>
>From:"ghand...@library.berkeley.edu" <ghand...@library.berkeley.edu>
>>To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 3:08 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Videolib] re Your pricing policies
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>There's still a problem, I'm afraid. Screening films/videos in a
>>classroom in the service of regular curricula does not require separate
>>rights in this country. The copyright laws of the US have a specific
>>provision for allowing such use in face-to-face teaching.
>>
>>It would be more accurate (and honest) to simply charge two prices:
>>
>>One for use in classrooms and libraries, and one for public performance.
>>
>>As to your question: An opening screening (i.e. an extra-curricular
>>screening) generally requires performance rights, even if a professor
>>gives a spiel before the show, and even if no admittance fees are charged.
>>
>>Berkeley would be interested in joining your growing customer base, but
>>not with the terms currently stated on your web site.
>>
>>Shalom,
>>
>>Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Gary
>>> Thanks for your answer and remarks.
>>> We knew about the rules of face to face screening in classrooms regardless
>>> of size
>>> We will remove the words (up to 50 students) from our pricing & invoices.
>>> Anyway I am not around to count.
>>> I hope that will solve the legal problem
>>> Most university libraries purchased classroom screening rights, yet some
>>> preferred to buy also Public screening rights.
>>>
>>> Yet I have a question many universities have a film series open to all
>>> students & faculty and if a professor gives a short explanation before the
>>> screening is that a face to face screening?
>>>
>>> I hope Berkeley will join our growing list of customers
>>>
>>> Shalom (Peace)
>>>
>>> Nahum Laufer
>>> Sales
>>> Docs for Education
>>> Erez Laufer Films
>>> Holland st 10
>>> Afulla 18371
>>> Israel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> ----Original Message-----
>>> From: m...@library.berkeley.edu [mailto:m...@library.berkeley.edu]
>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 6:05 PM
>>> To: lauf...@netvision.net.il
>>> Cc: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>>> Subject: Your pricing policies
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> Thanks for this link; your catalog has some interesting-sounding stuff in
>>> it. I have some fairly serious concerns about the wording of your pricing
>>> policy, however.
>>>
>>> US copyright law allows the screening of whole films/videos in
>>> face-to-face classroom teaching, REGARDLESS of the size of the class.
>>> Your pricing schedule wording ignores this fact. I understand the
>>> differential pricing for public performance rights, but your wording for
>>> the $175 "library lending rights" is misleading and not legally
>>> supportable, unless you consider this a contract stipulation, in which
>>> case I'd strongly urge my library colleagues not to do business with your
>>> firm.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have questions, or if there are clarifications I should
>>> know about.
>>>
>>> Gary Handman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> $175 for library lending rights. Includes screenings rights in classrooms
>>> (up to 50 students).
>>>
>>> $250 library lending rights and public performance rights for screening
>>> when no admission fee is charged.
>>>
>>>
>>> (subject) Comments and Suggestion Form
>>>> (from-name) Library Web user
>>>> (from-email) someb...@library.berkeley.edu
>>>> (urlRef) http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/vrtlists.html
>>>> (comments)
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> -----
>>>> Dear Gary
>>>> I have written before to you about our project Docs for Education I am
>>>> waiting that Berekeley Library will join other prestigius universities
>>>> and purchase our films See www.docsforeducation.com
>>>> <http://www.docsforeducation.com/>
>>>>
>>>> I want to have our film list on your video listing.
>>>> thanks
>>>> Nahum Laufer
>>>> Docs for Education
>>>> lauf...@netvision.net.il
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> -----
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
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>>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>>> producers and distributors.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Gary Handman
>>Director
>>Media Resources Center
>>Moffitt Library
>>UC Berkeley
>>
>>510-643-8566
>>ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
>>http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>>
>>"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
>>--Francois Truffaut
>>
>>
>>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
>>relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
>>preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
>>related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
>>working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
>>between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
>>distributors.
>>
>>
>
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
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