Bob Individual rights to download or watch are completely different from the right to allow a third party to stream it forever. I can not envision a scenario in which the studios will ever agree to this. I can easily see them setting up their own or even a shared system to allow non download viewing for specific periods of time but I can never imagine them doing the other. Maybe about the same time they agree to sell Regal theaters the rights to show the Wizard of Oz in perpetuity.
In any event studio titles are rarely the ones we are discussing I just want to point out that one should not expect to be able to buy CITIZEN KANE for perpetual streaming. On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Bob Norris <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, major studios are already making perpetual streaming rights > available... through iTunes among others. There are no term limits on the > files downloaded at purchase but there are significant digital rights > management controls encrypted in the files to prevent file sharing, etc. > Short of encrypting DRM on each file (which creates headaches in an > institutional environment), it would be good for distributors to understand > what controls institutions have put in place to prevent files from being > transferred into a new format. I'm guessing distributors will be more open > to granting rights in perpetuity for the original file if proper controls > have already been established. > > To address Jo Ann's comments, The National Media Market has the closest > thing to a single repository. There are up to 30 titles/series for each > Exhibiting Partner (up to 55 distributors). I suspect the number of titles > will increase over time but the Board has already voted not to include a > shopping cart option. That is viewed outside the NMM mission. The rest of > the protection, metadata and reporting requests seem reasonable and should > generally be available. > > On Mar 4, 2013, at 2:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > *From: *Jessica Rosner <[email protected]> > *Date: *March 4, 2013 2:22:14 PM CST > *To: *[email protected] > *Subject: **Re: [Videolib] DRL In Perpetuity* > *Reply-To: *[email protected] > > > Film has always been much more complicated rights wise than music or > written works. Take it for granted the studios will simply never agree to > sell perpetual streaming but then they are most likely to have their work > on big streaming sites anyway. What we generically call "educational media" > basically non fiction work that is often not sold retail probably has the > most promise in terms of getting filmmakers and distributors to agree to > perpetual DSL but there are still a lot of filmmakers in particular living > in the old days that need convincing. The trickiest group are independent > and foreign films. The contracts expire and the foreign rights holders are > downright nasty on any kind of perpetual right. Companies like Gaumont, > MK2, as well as smaller sales agents who handle films have not been willing > to agree to this. It would be in their interest to agree but that rarely > makes any difference to them. > > However let's stick to titles where you can get rights holders/filmmakers > to agree. The one stop idea is in my view just not likely to work. Too many > cooks. There are literally THOUSANDS of separate rights holders and hard to > imagine they would ever be able to do this. The current situation is > complicated, it is not financially feasible for filmmakers to set up their > own site and it is tough for many small distributors as well. If they sell > those rights to the bigger places the amount of money rarely covers much of > their cost. I am prejudiced since I mostly work directly with filmmakers > but I think selling the film outright to the institution to put on their > own system makes the most sense. You own it so you don't have to worry ( > beyond your own tech people) about a site going down, a company going out > of business. > > Again this only works when you can get the rights in perpetuity and per > above there are wide swaths of films where I don't see this happening. > Basically it is just never going to be as simple as that TV commercial > where the dusty motel has every movie ever made on its cable system. I > suspect there will inevitably be a mix of films you can stream on the > commercial sites by personal accounts, films you can stream from various > larger collections that aggregate, as well as smaller places that set it > up, films you can buy and stream yourself and a whole lot of films you may > never get streaming rights on at all. > > Fun stuff > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Jo Ann Reynolds < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Perpetual DSL would go a long way toward easing my workload. The more >> titles we get from different vendors, the more work, the harder to track. >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> I’ll go back to a suggestion I made a while ago on this list for >> filmmakers and distributors to get together and make your equivalent of an >> iTunes store so we can have one stop shopping. If that’s to overwhelming at >> the very least, standardize your site searches and terminology so the end >> user doesn’t have to learn new terms at every vendor’s site.**** >> >> **1) **The more titles in one place, the easier they are to find, >> the more they will be used, and probably equals more sales. Certainly >> tracking licenses would be easier and you wouldn’t have to worry about the >> file format issue because you’d be in control of that.**** >> >> **2) **The url or link would be called the same thing and found in >> the same place for every title. Picture the current situation for your >> ultimate end user, faculty and students. Every vendor to which a library >> subscribes has a different looking website, with different searching, and >> different terminology and location for their permalinks. Multiple that by >> ebooks and ejournals and you’ve got job security for librarians because we >> have to tell them how to find and use the stuff. We’d much rather it be >> intuitive for the user and spend our time helping patrons with things we >> really shouldn’t expect them to know how to do.**** >> >> **3) **Make your peace with IP protected access rather than the >> additional step of availability only via a courseware system. This will >> reduce the cost per view and help with purchasing decisions.**** >> >> **4) **You can add extra goodies like linking to segments, the >> ability for faculty to create clip libraries so they can show only the >> segments they need to.**** >> >> **5) **Faculty can view what the library has purchased rights to as >> well as shop for other titles.**** >> >> **6) **Provide METADATA so we can index it in our catalog, that’s >> where our patrons go to look for stuff.**** >> >> **7) **Learn what stop words are, e.g. A, An, The, and don’t >> alphabetize your titles under those words. Do you know how many millions of >> books and movies begin with one of those words.**** >> >> **8) **Include identifying info beyond the title, e.g. date, >> director, producer/director, stars because so many movies have the same or >> nearly the same title.**** >> >> **9) **Provide usage statistics, e.g. number of views, date of last >> view, term, cost per term, cost per view over the term.**** >> >> **10) **If licenses do expire, set it up so that the purchaser >> receives a report, as in #9, and send it at least one month or more before >> they expire.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Let me tell you, faculty just do not get why it can sometimes take months >> to acquire a stream. They think everything is like Amazon instant video or >> the iTunes store where they can get it instantly.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Off my soapbox for now.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Jo Ann**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Jo Ann Reynolds**** >> >> Reserve Services Coordinator**** >> >> University of Connecticut Libraries**** >> >> 369 Fairfield Road, Unit 1005RR**** >> >> Storrs, CT 06269-1005**** >> >> [email protected]**** >> >> 860-486-1406**** >> >> 860-486-5636 (fax)**** >> >> *http://classguides.lib.uconn.edu/mediaresources ***** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Bob Norris >> *Sent:* Monday, March 04, 2013 1:01 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* [Videolib] DRL In Perpetuity**** >> >> ** ** >> >> With all the discussions going on about desired pricing flexibility, I'd >> like to bring up another collector request that is arising more and more- >> digital rights licenses in perpetuity. The logic, which I agree with, is >> prior formats (DVDs, VHS, etc.) were not limited by a term. Plus it is an >> administrative burden for universities to track hundreds if not thousands >> of expiration dates. For this discussion, let's assume that it is within >> the distributor's rights to grant digital rights for the life of the >> original digital file. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> I pick this scenario because I believe it is within distributor's rights >> to grant a perpetual DRL as long as the file format is not changed and some >> buyers seem to understand this and consider it an acceptable solution. >> However, I do not see how this reduces the university's administrative >> costs. You would still have to track the original file formats and make >> sure they are not changed. In fact it seems even harder to track and >> enforce because IT is often oblivious of copyright issues and would not >> necessarily notify librarians of any format changes.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Am I missing something or would the above solution simply shift the admin >> burden, not eliminate it? Plenty of distributors would like to accommodate >> collector's needs as long as it is within their legal right to do so and >> they have reasonable assurances that university controls are in place to >> adhere to the license terms. Any thoughts or insights on how to achieve >> this?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Bob**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *Robert A. Norris***** >> >> Managing Director**** >> >> Film Ideas, Inc.**** >> >> Phone: (847) 419-0255**** >> >> Email: [email protected]**** >> >> Web: www.filmideas.com**** >> >> ** ** >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> >> > > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > >
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