excuse my cynicism but Mr. Smith has a history of opinions that ignore copyright law and I think his reaction to GSU appear hearing is typical. He was free to discuss the issue of important material that has major access problems and actually suggest ways of working with rights holders to solve it but he choose to say several lawyers said just download it and provided no suggestion as Dennis did about working with rights holders on the issue. Moreover the idea that iTunes does not "understand" its licences is absurd.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Brown, Roger <[email protected]> wrote: > HI, > > I think it should be noted that Mr Smith is not saying "just download it" > in the article; he's pointing out that at a recent meeting there were some > lawyers in attendance that suggested they do that. > > I think his viewpoint is he's using this specific example to show > technological delivery strategies are flawed, and discuss what can happen > if not all the stake-holders understand what the ramifications of certain > business models. > > > - - > Roger Brown > Manager > UCLA Instructional Media Collections & Services > 46 Powell Library > Los Angeles, CA 90095-1517 > office: 310-206-1248 > fax: 310-206-5392 > [email protected] > > > I th > > > > >Message: 3 > >Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:56:41 -0400 > >From: Jessica Rosner <[email protected]> > >Subject: Re: [Videolib] "just download it anyways" article > >To: [email protected] > >Message-ID: > > <CACRe6m9H+iV8XNuv3J+d8wNmWHLSy=aRKgWVvvF= > [email protected]> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > >And I agree with you but one note I was definitely also attacking > >Mr.Smith's total disregard for copyright LAW not just his morality or > >ethics. He basically belongs to the " we academic institutions are above > >those evil copyright laws and all rights holders are greedy pigs so we > >should not pay them" school of thought. I particularly liked his write up > >of Georgia State Appeal in which he said three federal judges did not > >understand copyright law and were totally misinterpreting it. Evidently he > >knows more than they do about copyright law. > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Dennis Doros <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Okay, here's where I almost entirely agree with Jessica. To me, this > >> "other" Kevin (this one ain't from Jersey) Smith's article has nothing > >>to > >> do with copyright and library's rights, but an internet illness based on > >> utopian expectations leading to faulty thinking. Jessica's argument, > >> however, doesn't take into account that this guy's reasoning has a fatal > >> flaw past the morality and ethics of it. > >> > >> I dislike this article intensely by Smith because like most articles of > >> this nature, it takes a specific case and blows it up from the *ab > >> absurdo* (I believe my memory of Latin is correct) to a blanket > >> conclusion. In other words, because you can't download one item, you > >>should > >> be able to download *all* items. What's the percentage of material out > >> there that libraries can't buy in a more stable, higher quality format, > >>ie. > >> CDs. > >> > >> It's a very common disease in the digital age to insist that everything > >> HAS to be available. It *should* be and maybe it will be one day, but > >> that will take time, legislation and energy -- as well as increased > >>taxes > >> to support the arts. > >> > >> Rather than support the illegal download of copyrighted material, the > >> *real* obvious conclusion is that the ALA should work with Itunes to > >>come > >> up with a secondary system for libraries that's fair and equitable. > >>That's > >> a huge amount of business they could have. > >> > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Dennis Doros > >> Milestone Film & Video > >> PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 > >> Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: [email protected] > >> > >> Visit our main website! www.milestonefilms.com > >> Visit our new websites! www.mspresents.com, www.portraitofjason.com, > >> www.shirleyclarkefilms.com, > >> To see or download our 2014 Video Catalog, click here > >> > >>< > http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0150/7896/files/2014MilestoneVideoCatal > >>og.pdf?75> > >> ! > >> > >> > >> Support "Milestone Film" on Facebook > >> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426> and Twitter > >> <https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms>! > >> > >> > >> See the website: Association of Moving Image Archivists > >> <http://www.amianet.org/> and like them on Facebook > >> > >>< > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivists/868 > >>54559717> > >> AMIA 2014 Conference, Savannah, Georgia, October 8-11, 2014 > >> <http://www.amianet.org/> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Laura Jenemann <[email protected]> > >>wrote: > >> > >>> Dear videolib, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> A recent post from Kevin Smith (Duke?s Scholarly Communication Officer) > >>> on digital-only music, and what libraries might or might not do about > >>>it: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > http://blogs.library.duke.edu/scholcomm/2014/07/28/planning-for-musical- > >>>obsolescence/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Here are some comments that may resonate with media librarians: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ?At a recent consultation to discuss this problem, it was interesting > >>>to > >>> note that several of the lawyers in the room encouraged the librarians > >>>to > >>> just download the music anyway and ignore the licensing terms, simply > >>> treating this piece of music like any other library acquisition. Their > >>> argument was that iTunes and the LA Philharmonic really do not mean to > >>> prevent library acquisitions; they are just using a boilerplate license > >>> without full awareness of the impact of its terms. But the librarians > >>>were > >>> unwilling.? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Laura > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Laura Jenemann > >>> > >>> Film Studies/Media Services Librarian > >>> > >>> George Mason University > >>> > >>> 703-993-7593 > >>> > >>> [email protected] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > >>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > >>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > >>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will > >>>serve as > >>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > >>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > >>> producers and distributors. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will > >>serve as > >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > >> producers and distributors. > >> > >> > >-------------- next part -------------- > >An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > >HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > > >End of videolib Digest, Vol 80, Issue 60 > >**************************************** > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. >
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
