Nahum It is not for the ALA to make a ruling on streaming. The distributor makes a specific contract with institutions which as far as I know has always included all enrolled students/faculty. I learned when I first talked to librarians that it is simply not possible to restrict access to a specific group of students or faculty. Streaming and PPR are totally different rights. It is fairly common to include PPR rights in institutional purchases but streaming rights are usually additional. The librarians can speak for themselves but I expect 90% would prefer not to buy PPR rights if they are an additional fee. It has been the topic of many complaints over the years. Streaming rights however are more and more desired and if they did not include the right to stream to all students and faculty on a password protected system I doubt any institution would buy them.
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 11:10 AM, nahum laufer <[email protected]> wrote: > Jessica & list members > I always give academic libraries 2 prices one for institutional second for > PPR. Also on our web-site both fees appear and additional fee for > streaming. > Our film ........ has been purchased by 100 libraries all except 3 > purchased > PPR, as many of the customers are from libraries that take part in this > list > and are aware of the face to face regulations yet choose PPR. The few > clients that wanted streaming paid PPR + streaming fee. > Other films that we distribute mostly were sold only at institutional fee. > I'm a small distributer . I don't make up the educational market rules, I > just abide to them. > Its time that ALA will make clear rulings on streaming, till then my > opinion > is that streaming to full university audience is a Public Performance. > Streaming to small group say just to 30 persons a film about Bolivian > baskets should be discussed separately between the library & the > distributer, > Our message is Peace, Shalom, Salaam > Cheers > > Nahum Laufer > http://onedayafterpeace.com/index.php > http://docsforeducation.com/ > Sales > Docs for Education > Erez Laufer Films > Holland st 10 > Afulla 18371 > Israel > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2014 10:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 81, Issue 41 > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:42:48 -0400 > From: Jessica Rosner <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] PPR streaming > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <CACRe6m9zNGtiECEXJx55t-=- > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Jane is correct. PPR and Streaming are different rights. Most streaming > contracts allow any current student or faculty access to a particular > title. > I learned early on from librarians that trying to limit access to students > in a particular class was insane. PPR is for a public showing of a film and > frankly in 90% of cases it is sort of red herring. The vast majority of > schools have no need for PPR on the vast majority of titles. > There are certainly important exceptions of films that students or faculty > might actually want to program ( and unlike Nahum I am not shilling titles > but I represent a few that are regularly shown on campus) but mostly there > is little interest in programming the documentary on basket weaving > co-operative in Bolivia. PPR dates back to 16mm and Beta tape etc , it > really was just thrown in because the prices are so high but again it is a > separate from streaming and OF course streaming is not just for "face to > face" situations that is the whole point of purchasing the right to stream > a > title. If it was used "face to face" they would not need streaming rights. > > Lastly Nahum is it possible to discuss an issue WITHOUT mentioning your > film > over an over? Videolib is for discussing general issues and other than > someone asks for suggestions on titles for particular subject it is > inappropriate to mention your film, your prices etc. > > Jessica Rosner > > > On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 11:58 AM, nahum laufer <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Jane > > I want to disagree with you, institutional rights are for face to face > > use or private physical screening, "Streaming licence allows from > > password protected site for our students and staff and is not shown > > publically maybe is correct" . > > Yet as people not connected with the subject, so anyone of the > > faculity, students, including MOOC students to see the film, most > > cases the screening is not in a face to face situation, so the demand > > that the purchase will include PPR is legimate, it's a public showing > > to all the university The differrance between institution fee for our > > film (One Day After Peace) is ($250) & PPR ($300) and we ask $100 > > for unlimited streaming rights, Other films it will be $350 The > > example Deg quoted is overpriced, and the vendor doesn't want to sell. > > Cheers > > > > Nahum Laufer > > http://onedayafterpeace.com/index.php > > http://docsforeducation.com/ > > Sales > > Docs for Education > > Erez Laufer Films > > Holland st 10 > > Afulla 18371 > > Israel > > > -- > Jessica Rosner > Media Consultant > 224-545-3897 (cell) > 212-627-1785 (land line) > [email protected] > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > ------------------------------ > ********************** > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. 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VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
