Jakob Illeborg Pagter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>>> BTW, is there is particular reason for choosing roundup over trac
>>> (used by twisted, right?)?
>>
>> Yeah, I don't think you can get the email-discussion feature with
>> Trac. I have maintained a couple of projects using the SourceForge
>> tracker, and I find it highly annoying to login to a website just
>> to reply to a bug report.
>
> I guess this is a matter of taste, but I accept the argument.

Yes, you're right -- I am personally very fond of mail/news and
dislike editing things in the textarea fields provided by web browsers
(Firefox or whatever). My news/mail-reader has a better editor, better
threading and a better address book than any web forum I have seen.

That is also why the webpage is built from .txt files instead of some
Wiki system, and why I have added the mailing list to Gmane where you
can both read and post via nntp (usenet). People can actually post to
the list from a webpage if they want:

  http://post.gmane.org/post.php?group=gmane.comp.cryptography.viff.devel

It's not that I wont discuss these things -- back when I was the only
contributor to the project I simply figured that I might as well setup
things the way I like them... :-)

>> Trac also seems very aimed at integration with the revision control
>> system, and it started out by supporting only Subversion. There is
>> now an experimental Mercurial plugin__, but it still looks like all
>> other backends are somewhat second-class citizens.
>
> Yeah, if mercurial is the better version control choice, then this
> is a drawback.

Mercurial is (together with Git and decentralized revision control
systems in general) the next big thing. Mercurial is used by Mozilla,
OpenJDK, OpenSolaris, and Git is used by the Linux kernel among
others. I really like Mercurial and I think it is much superior to
Subversion (or any centralized revision control system).

>> I actually quite like the ideas in Trac, but it seems more
>> heavy-weight to setup than Roundup.
>> 
>> .. __: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracMercurial
>
> What I like in trac, is the ability to batch features into
> mailstones and automatically see you progress.

Okay, then we'll see about making something similar in Roundup! :-)
What about using this scheme as an approximation: we put all the issue
for a given milestone into their own milestone, and then make a query
that groups by milestone. That should give you a view like this:

                            milestone-0.5
42  Fix bla
45  Bug in foo

                            milestone-0.6
40  Fix bla for 0.6
38  Update foobar

                                 ...

One can see the progress by how the milestone-catagories shrink.

> Anyway, I don't think trac is perfect in that aspect anyway, so
> let's just stick to roundup as it seems the more effective choice.

Okay, cool! I'll setup tracker.viff.dk (unless people have a good
suggestion for another name?) to host Roundup.

-- 
Martin Geisler
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