Oops; I just saw this message from Ralph, after I sent my last one.
Perhaps Murcia is the one who mentions pedilla, even though my possibly
faulty memory is that pedilla referred to a partial barre of the first
finger.
Jocelyn
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From: RALPH MAIER <[1]rkcma...@shaw.ca>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:43:49 -0400
To: Monica Hall <[2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Cc: Stewart McCoy <[3]lu...@tiscali.co.uk>, Vihuelalist
<[4]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Chord I
It's interesting that Murcia would suggest a partial barre with the
2nd
finger in his table. There are however plenty of instances where the
I
chord is written out using a partial barre with the first finger
(for
example, the Gallarda fol.5, line 2, m.3).
If you find the barre difficult you might want to check your left
hand
position. The large knuckle at the base of the finger needs to be
slightly ahead of the fingerboard and the tip segment has to be kept
loose. Be persistent - eventually it will make your life much
easier.
Happy playing.
Ralph
----- Original Message -----
From: Monica Hall <[5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009 3:22 pm
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Chord I
To: Stewart McCoy <[6]lu...@tiscali.co.uk>
Cc: Vihuelalist <[7]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Dear Stewart
>
> This is fascinating!!
>
> > Thank you for confirming what I had thought was the case, that
> this is
> > the standard fingering for the A major chord in 17th-century
guitar
> > books:
> >
> > ____a___
> > _2__c___
> > _1__c___
> > _1__c___
> > ____a___
> >
> > That is the fingering I try to use now. The great advantage is
> that you
> > can trill on the 2nd course using your 4th finger at the 3rd
> fret. You
> > get plenty of leverage trilling between the 2nd and 4th
> fingers, more
> > than you would trilling with the 3rd and 4th fingers.
>
> I'll have to try that tomorrow morning. I normally trill
> with the 3rd and
> 4th fingers. This particular chord often has the d on the
> 2nd course as 4-3
> suspension which I play with the 4th finger.
> >
> > There are many ways of fingering that A major chord. The
> commonest seen
> > in modern guitar tutors is
> >
> > ____a___
> > _3__c___
> > _2__c___
> > _1__c___
> > ____a___
> > ________
> >
> > That's OK if you have thin fingers, but there is always the
> danger that
> > the 1st finger won't get close enough to the 2nd fret, and
> you'll get a
> > buzz.
>
> Yes - that's the fingering I use - and I guess I have much
> thinner fingures
> than all you gentleman - so thin in fact that I don't find
> stopping double
> courses easy. I keep thinking maybe I should get the
> spacing reduced
> between the strings of each course.
>
> One way of avoiding that, is to use this fingering:
> >
> > ____a___
> > _3__c___
> > _1__c___
> > _2__c___
> > ____a___
> >
> > which I sometimes use, particularly if hopping back and forth
> between> chords of A and D major, because the 1st and 3rd
> fingers stay on the
> > same string. Otherwise I go for the first fingering above.
> >
> There are so many ways of doing things. So far no
> one seems to opt for the
> 2nd finger barre!
>
> I must try them all in the morning.
>
> Regards
>
> Monica
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [8]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[9]mailto:lute-
> [10]...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
> > Behalf Of Monica Hall
> > Sent: 11 October 2009 15:22
> > To: Rob MacKillop
> > Cc: Vihuelalist
> > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Chord I
> >
> > That's very helpful and interesting what you say
> about the technique
> > being standard for blues and jazz. There's
> obviously a long
> > tradition
> > there.
> >
> >
> >
> > Monica
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: [1]Rob MacKillop
> >
> > To: [2]Monica Hall
> >
> > Cc: [3]Vihuelalist
> >
> > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 1:42 PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Chord I
> >
> > I use the 2nd finger on the 2nd course, and the
> first finger on the
> > other two courses. I have no problem with the open
> first string
> > sounding. I show beginner-ish students this
> technique and invariable
> > they can't bend their first finger inwards at the
> first joint, but
> > some
> > who have played blues and or jazz guitar before
> have no problem - it
> > is
> > fairly standard technique for those styles.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > 2009/10/11 Monica Hall <[4][11]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
> >
> > This is a rather abstruse query.
> > In most Italian guitar
> tables of alfabeto chords which include
> > the
> > left
> > hand fingering the
> indication is that Chord I is to be played
> > using a
> > half (or hinge) barre to
> stop the 4th and 3rd courses and the 2nd
> > finger to stop the 2nd
> course at the 2nd fret.
> > 0
> > 2 1
> > 2 1
> > 2 2
> > 0
> > This doesn't seem to me
> the most convenient way of doing it
> > especially
> > when combined with other
> chords and I always use 1st, 2nd and 3rd
> > fingers.
> > Ruiz de Ribayaz does give
> my preferred fingering as an
> > alternative to
> > the Italian one.
> > Both Sanz and Murcia seem
> to think that the 4th course should be
> > stopped with the 1st
> finger and a 2nd finger half barre used to
> > stop
> > the 2nd and 3rd which
> seems a bit odd to me!
> > I wonder if Sanz is a
> misprint which Murcia has copied.
> > In the illustrations of
> the fingers stopping the chords on the
> > fingerboard in Sanz the
> standard Italian fingering is shown.
> > I just wonder how everyone
> else on this list usually fingers
> > chord
> > I
> > and what the advantages
> are of the different possibilities.
> > Monica
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