Dear Stuart,

   You're quite right - I do think strumming is appropriate in many of
   these pieces, such as Les Bouffons. The block chords across all four
   courses are, I suggest, a very clear indicator.

   Part of the problem with just finger plucking is that the many
   inversions commonly found in these dances are effectively disguised by
   strumming (as, of course, in the later 5 course guitar repertoire) but
   are laid bare with plucking. Also interestingly, look at bar 5: in the
   first section where I suggest the block chords are strummed the lowest
   note is the 5th of the chord (2nd inversion) but in the following
   divisions section where strumming is not generally practical the lowest
   note is the open third course - that is in root position.

   The perceived difficulty of plucking the single note in bar one (and
   elsewhere) is only a problem if the hand moves back to a bridge
   plucking posture and position; if it's taken as though with a light
   upstroke (ie a strum movement) of the index (as commonly found in later
   5 course tablatures) the difficulty evaporates.

   When you say strumming on the guitar only 'emerged at the end of the
   16th century' - what's your evidence for this?  Of course, the tutors
   of the late 16th/and 17th C with alfabeto naturally indicate strumming
   but that by no means excludes a similar practice being adopted earlier
   before alfabeto was invented. The numerous cittern works also published
   by Phalese et al at this time also often require strumming (with
   plectrum).  We know that small guitars were used to accompany dances
   and singing in Intermedii - a good example is Cavalieri's setting in
   the Florentine Intermedi of 1589 of 'O che nuove miracolo' (which later
   transmogrified into the hit tune 'Aria del gran duca'). where the three
   soprano solists sing to a spanish guitar and a small neopolitan guitar.
   Strumming of both instruments seems the obvious and practical manner of
   performance in such a context.

   Does not Foscarini report his own local knowledge when he claims to be
   the inventor of mixed notation and, in any event, isn't he really
   making the case that he was the first to combine alfabeto with
   tablature - a rather different claim.

   regards

   Martyn
   --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Stuart Walsh <[email protected]> wrote:

     From: Stuart Walsh <[email protected]>
     Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Four c. guitar - strumming
     To:
     Cc: "'Vihuelalist'" <[email protected]>
     Date: Monday, 2 August, 2010, 11:11

   Here's 'Les Buffons' as in the Phalese edition of 1570 and in
   Geisbert's 1969 trancription. Giesbert has added fingering and
   strumming symbols that are not in the original.
   [1]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/PhaleseBouffons.jpg
   Now some people, like (I hope I'm  right in this) Monica and Martyn
   think that a piece like this (and many others) might - or even would -
   have been strummed. Whenever I have had a run through of this
   repertoire - and pieces like this - I've never thought of strumming as
   first option but something that might just be added in places.
   Martin Shepherd pointed out some examples of strumming in the lute
   music of the time but it would seem to be fair to say that out of the
   thousands of lute pieces from this time when the lute was the
   pre-eminent instrument, strumming occupies only a minute fragment. So
   strumming  was not a typical or common practice on the lute, it would
   seem.Strumming block chords on guitars (on all strings) emerged at the
   end of the 16th century (of course, correct me on this if I'm wrong!)
   but  playing this version of Les Bouffons with strumming would involve
   the mixed strumming and plucking style that Foscarini claimed to have
   invented in the 17th century.
   I play Les Bouffons (and pieces like this) fingerstyle and the fingers
   are in position to play the punteado,fingerstyle bits. One of the
   issues of the mixed style of the 17th century is that if you do a fancy
   strum then your fingers end up half a mile away from the strings and
   then you have to get them back to do some fingerstyle play. Also in Les
   Bouffons, in the second bar of the second section, if you are
   strumming, you have to do a strum which omits the top course. That's a
   bit tricky to do and the arranger didn't include the addition of
   another note on the top course (fret one) which would make a simple
   downward strum easy to do and hardly interrupts the melodic line such
   as it is.
   Stuart
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References

   1. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/PhaleseBouffons.jpg
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