The corpus of original guitars (not vihuelas) is often 'very large'. And low octaves A and d seem to be an educated choice for Murcia, taking into account the composers' work (1714) on basso continuo.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: dinsdag 13 mei 2014 13:30 Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene CC: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument: in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela played by Orpheus in Milan's collection. Perhaps you mean it's bigger than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because of a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!... regards, Martyn __________________________________________________________________ From: Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Braig, Eugene" <brai...@osu.edu> Cc: Vihuelalist <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 Wow! If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de Murcia you will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from Passacalles y obras! It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th and 5th courses.....with a very imposing sound. Interesting indeed. It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras de guitarra series. Amazing what you can find on the internet. Monica ----- Original Message ----- From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Monica Hall" <[2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose > Romanillos. > > Best, > Eugene > > ________________________________________ > From: Monica Hall [[4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM > To: Braig, Eugene > Cc: Vihuelalist > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > Please do - that would be helpful! > Monica > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Braig, Eugene" <[5]brai...@osu.edu> > To: "Vihuelalist" <[6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 > > >> Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the >> exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he >> certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early" >> instruments. >> >> Best, >> Eugene >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM >> To: Braig, Eugene >> Cc: Vihuelalist >> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >> >> That's helpful. I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces >> by >> Murcia in 1979to . He and James Tyler play "baroque instruments" but >> Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar. I am sure there must be >> more. >> >> Monica >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Braig, Eugene" <[8]brai...@osu.edu> >> To: "Vihuelalist" <[9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM >> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >> >> >>>I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their >>>activity for years. I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . . >>>or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist. >>> >>> Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of: >>> - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977); >>> - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca: >>> 1978); and >>> - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985). >>> >>> I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately >>> on hand in the day-job office. >>> >>> Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might >>> want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the >>> summit >>> list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher, >>> Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev. >>> >>> Luck, >>> Eugene >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [10]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[11]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On >>> Behalf Of Monica Hall >>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM >>> To: Azalais >>> Cc: Vihuelalist >>> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >>> >>> I have Lorimer's facsimile. What I am really trying to find out is >>> whether >>> there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also >>> whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published >>> before >>> that date. The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's >>> facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became >>> flavour of the month big time. Several people including myself did >>> dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich >>> refers >>> to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974. >>> >>> Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the >>> Guitar-Summit >>> list. I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards >>> the >>> classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer >>> this query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque >>> guitar. >>> But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any >>> response. Perhaps it is now defunct. >>> >>> Regards to all >>> >>> Monica >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Azalais >>> To: Monica Hall >>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM >>> Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2 >>> >>> >>> Hello Monica, >>> >>> >>> Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references leads >>> me to believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's >>> book >>> and its bibliography. >>> >>> >>> If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it. >>> >>> >>> Thank you for the research! I have always been a fan of De Murcia. >>> >>> >>> Azalais >>> >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > -- References 1. mailto:brai...@osu.edu 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 5. mailto:brai...@osu.edu 6. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 8. mailto:brai...@osu.edu 9. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 10. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 11. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
