[VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit

Monica Hall Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:49:29 -0700

----- Original Message -----From: "WALSH STUART" <s.wa...@ntlworld.com>

To: "Monica Hall" <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>; "Braig, Eugene" <brai...@osu.edu>
Cc: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 4:11 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit

On 27/06/2014 15:38, Monica Hall wrote:
How right you are. The problem with historic performance practices isthat most of what is written about them is nothing more than speculationand conjecture.Unfortunately people are not willing to admit this and will fight to thedeath over things which will be forever unknown.
I suspect you would fight to the death, Monica, to defend the utter andcomplete unknowability of certain Baroque guitar practices!
Stuart


Which ones?

Monica

----- Original Message ----- From: "Braig, Eugene" <brai...@osu.edu>
To: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 3:31 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit

An academic on the day job, I recognize flaws inherent in thepeer-review

process, that randomly sampling the wrong set from a population of

potential reviewers can have substantial subjective impacts on whetherornot a thing comes to be published. However, I do operate on both sidesof

the process (more often as reviewer) and also recognize that it tends to
make contributions to any academic field generally stronger and more
defensible.  I suspect dealing with fish, ecology, and statistical
procedures better lends itself to a purer objectivity than dealing with
historic performance practices that have to depend upon a certain amount
of speculation and conjecture.

Eugene



-----Original Message-----
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf Of Monica Hall
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 3:42 AM
To: Lex Eisenhardt
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit

To be honest - even if these articles are read by outside readers thereis

no guarantee that they are gold standard.

I do get asked to peer review things. What happens is that you writeyourcomments and recommendations but the editor decides whether the articleis

acceptable as it is or whether the writer should be asked to make any
changes.

I have also had things I have written  myself peer reviewed and rejected

by people who didn't know what they were talking about! (andsubsequently

published by someone else)!

At the end of the day - anyone can get a group of likeminded peole
together
for a conferance and call it what they like.   And with the internet
anyone
can publish whatever they like however bizarre it may be.

It is really a matter of "caveat emptor".   You need to evaluate
everything
that you read and check all the information for yourself.   It goes
without
saying that you should never copy anyone  elses work without checking
sources and ensuring that it is  accurate.

The problem today is that most people don't - a lot of what passes for
original research today is just a rehash of other peoples work - often
written so long ago as to be completely obsolete.

As Pontius Pilate said "What is truth?".

Monica


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lex Eisenhardt" <eisenha...@planet.nl>
To: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 2:01 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit

As I understand it, the (9!) guitar related articles in Early Music41/4

and
42/1 were all reviewed by outside readers.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----

Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]Namens

Martyn Hodgson
Verzonden: woensdag 25 juni 2014 10:59
Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene
CC: Vihuelalist
Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit

Well yes....... though if papers are presented, but not disseminatedby

  the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem

(alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed intogenerally

  accepted fact?
  Martyn
__________________________________________________________________

  From: Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
  To: "Braig, Eugene" <brai...@osu.edu>
  Cc: Vihuelalist <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
  Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08
  Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit
  That sums it up very nicely.  Both the list and the Lake Konstanz
  meeting
  were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss
  their
  interests.  No need for any peer reviewing or the like.
  Monica
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1]brai...@osu.edu>
  To: "Vihuela Dmth" <[2]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
  Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM
  Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit

> The word " s u b s c r i b e r " ended up robot flagging my lastnote

  for
  > redirection.  Here it is again with the offending word deleted.
  >
  > E
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Braig, Eugene
  > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM
  > To: Vihuela Dmth
  > Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit
  >
  > I think more people are reading more into this thing than they
  should.
  > While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research

> Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. Youcan

  see a

> concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is atthe> bottom this GFA page:[3]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums

  . . . as
  > well as the organizers' own Facebook group:
  > [4]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. I've never
  managed to
  > attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person.
  >
  > The "Guitar Summit" was a discussion forum (not unlike the present
  suite

> of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in2007.

  > However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple
  different

> online services (most notably as the "Classical Guitar HistoryList")

  that
  > slightly predate the first Lake Konstanz meeting.  I have been a
  spotty

> contributor to each iteration of the discussion fora/listservssince

  2005.
  > When I was active there, there was a great deal of discussion
  centered on

> transitional periods at either end of the 19th c. Yes, MatanyaOphee> served as an organizing hub for these listservs; his contributionsto

  and
  > prominent voice in this particular arena are hard to deny, whatever
  your
  > opinion of them are.  Still, at its core, the "summit" was really
  only a
  > listserv of guitar geeks (like me), scholars, and professional
  performers
  > who liked to ask interesting questions of a collective body of
  knowledge
  > (I tended to do more asking than ans!
  > wering).
  >
  > Best,
  > Eugene
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: [5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
  [mailto:[6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
  > Behalf Of jelmaa
  > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:43 PM
  > To: Martyn Hodgson
  > Cc: Vihuela Dmth
  > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit
  >
  > Hi Martin and others,
  >
  > No, the papers are not peer reviewed and not published by the
  organizers,

> but I know many of them end up in journals later through theefforts

  of
  > the individual researchers. A list of speakers and subjects is
  published
  > though (I believe). You should really contact Andreas about that if
  you
  > want to know more.
  >
  > Best, Jelma
  >
  >
  > On Jun 24, 2014, at 17:26 , Martyn Hodgson wrote:
  >
  >>  Thank you Jelma.
  >>  Do you know if this 'Summit' ever publish any of these papers or
  are
  >>  they available as downloads? Were they peer reviewed?
  >>  regards
  >>  Martyn
  >>
__________________________________________________________________
  >>
  >>  From: Jelma van Amersfoort <[7]jel...@gmail.com>
  >>  To: Lex Eisenhardt <[8]eisenha...@planet.nl>
  >>  Cc: Vihuela Dmth <[9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
  >>  Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2014, 11:31
  >>  Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit
  >>    Dear all,
  >>    A
  >>    "Lake Konstanz" is a bi-annual international conference on
  >>    guitar-related research, historical and otherwise. It was
  established

>> in 2007 by Gerhard Penn and Andreas Stevens.A The next meetingis

  in
  >>    2015.
  >>    A
  >>    I was there last year and presented a paper on guitar songs by
  the

>> composer Pauline Duchambge (1776-1858). There were speakersfrom

  many

>> different countries and backgrounds, it was quite interestingand

  >>  fun.
  >>    As Lex Eisenhardt mentioned, four or five of the people who
  recently
  >>    published in Early Music were there as well, and Matanya Ophee
  too.
  >>    A
  >>    If any of you want to present or just listen it is best to
  approach
  >>    Andreas or Gerhard with a proposal. They are quite keen to
  involve
  >>  more

>> researchers. I believe there is no website, but there is arather

  >>    active facebook page.
  >> ([1][1][10]https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/131072740286508/)
  >>    A
  >>    Best, Jelma van Amersfoort
  >>    A
  >>    A
  >>    On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Lex Eisenhardt
  >>    <[2][2][11]eisenha...@planet.nl> wrote:
  >>      Some of you may have seen the 'guitar issues' of Early Music
  (41/4
  >>      A and
  >>      42/1). Some of the authors lectured at the 'Lake Konstanz'
  (Summit)
  >>      meetings.
  >>      -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
  >>      Van: [3][3][12]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
  >>      [mailto:[4][4][13]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens
  >>      WALSH STUART
  >>      Verzonden: dinsdag 24 juni 2014 11:54
  >>      Aan: Martyn Hodgson; Vihuela Dmth
  >>      Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit
  >>    On 24/06/2014 09:25, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
  >>> A  A  ----- Forwarded Message -----

>>> A A From: Martyn Hodgson <[5][5][14]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>A

  A
  >>> To: Monica Hall <[6][6][15]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> A  A  Sent:
  Tuesday, 24

>>> June 2014, 7:26 A A Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit AA

  >>> Thanks for this.

>>> A A I was intrigued by the use of the word 'summit' whichimplied

  >>    some
  >>    sort
  >>> A  A  of self-proclaimed central authority!
  >>    I think that would be about right. Surrounded by worshippers.
  >>> But from what you write, it seems
  >>> A  A  to be/have been more of a social event....
  >>> A  A  Martyn
  >>> A  A  A
  >>
__________________________________________________________________
  >>>

>>> A A From: Monica Hall <[7][7][16]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> A ATo:

  >>> Martyn Hodgson <[8][8][17]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> A  A  Cc:
  >>> Vihuelalist <[9][9][18]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> A  A  Sent:
  Monday, 23
  >>> June 2014, 19:29 A  A  Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A
  A
  >>> Well it was started a few years ago under the auspices of
  >>    Matanya
  >>> A  A  Ophee.
  >>> A  A  Most of the people on it were continental - i.e. from
  >>  Germany,
  >>    and
  >>    such
  >>> A  A  like
  >>> A  A  places. A They hold/held a summit meeting in Switzerland
  >>  every
  >>    two
  >>> A  A  years.
  >>> A  A  The last one was in 2012 I think.
  >>> A  A  There used to be a discussion list but messages I have sent
  >>    have not
  >>> A  A  got
  >>> A  A  through and I haven't received any for ages.
  >>> A  A  Monica
  >>> A  A  ----- Original Message -----
  >>> A  A  From: "Martyn Hodgson"
  <[1][10][10][19]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
  >>> A  A  To: "Monica Hall" <[2][11][11][20]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>;
  >>  "Vihuelalist"
  >>> A  A <[3][12][12][21]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
  >>> A  A  Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 6:37 PM A  A Subject: [VIHUELA]

>>> Re: Guitar Summit A A > A To be frank Monica, I've never heardof

  >>> it! A What is/was
  >>    it
  >>    supposed
  >>> A  A  to
  >>> A  A  > A do?
  >>> A  A  > A Martyn
  >>> A  A  >
  >>
__________________________________________________________________
  >>> A  A  >

>>> A A > A From: Monica Hall<[4][13][13][22]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>>>> A A > A To: Vihuelalist<[5][14][14][23]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>

  >>> A  A  > A Sent: Monday, 23 June 2014, 15:30 A  A  > A Subject:

>>> [VIHUELA] Guitar Summit A A > A A I just wondered whetheranyone

  >>> else on this list is on
  >>    the Guitar
  >>> A  A  > A  A Summit list and if so whether they ever get any
  >>    messages. A I
  >>> A  A  haven't
  >>> A  A  > A  A had any for months and was wondering whether it is
  >>    defunct or
  >>> A  A  whether
  >>> A  A  > A I
  >>> A  A  > A  A have been struck off!
  >>> A  A  > A  A Thanks to all
  >>> A  A  > A  A Monica
  >>> A  A  > A  A --
  >>> A  A  > A To get on or off this list see list information at A  A
  >
  >>    A
  >>
[1][6][15][15][24]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.htm
  l
  >>> A  A  >
  >>> A  A  > A --
  >>> A  A  >
  >>> A  A  > References
  >>> A  A  >
  >>> A  A  > A 1.
  >>
[7][16][16][25]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  >>> A  A  >
  >>>
  >>> A  A  --
  >>>
  >>> References
  >>>
  >>> A  A  1. mailto:[17][17][26]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
  >>> A  A  2. mailto:[18][18][27]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
  >>> A  A  3. mailto:[19][19][28]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
  >>> A  A  4. mailto:[20][20][29]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
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  >>> A  A  6.
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  >>> A  A  7.
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  >>>
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