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Best regards,
Tony.
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Subject: Re: Insert mode and arrow keys philosophy
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:58:45 -0800
From: Raimon Grau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A.J.Mechelynck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: vim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "VIM mail list" <[email protected]>
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On 2/20/07, *A.J.Mechelynck* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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DervishD wrote:
> Hi Laurent :)
>
> * vim <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> dixit:
>> The idea behind using h/j/k/l is to avoid moving your hand/wrist
too
>> often while going back and forth between your keyboard and the
arrow set
>> (although the use of h/j/k/l might have originated for other reasons
>> back in the old 'vi' days).
>
> Hitting ESC doesn't make your wrist move? I may have a very small
> hand, but I have to move my left hand for hitting ESC.
>
> I suspect that the main reason behind the hjkl (which is very
> unnatural for me, the arrows have a much better design with the
inverted
> T at least IMHO) was that the first keyboards used to develop/use vi
> probably hadn't arrow keys, or they were very far at the right of
the
> keyboard.
>
> Of course I may be wrong here, I wasn't there ;)) but at
least in my
> case, the most moving I do is *when inserting text* (well, when
> modifying existing text, to be more precise), and using ESC and the
> different motion commands slows down my editing a lot. Using the
arrow
> keys and the Home/End, PgUp/PgDn keys makes my editing much
faster. I'm
> a touch typer, and I can find my position again in the keyboard
pretty
> fast, but I find more difficult to do it after hitting ESC than after
> using the arrow keys.
>
> In addition to this, my touch typing position is with my index
> finger on the 'j', and not the 'h'. To hit 'h' I must displace my
index
> finger and that's slower for motion than having my fingers on the
> inverted "T".
>
> Weren't for the ESC key to go to normal mode, I will never
use the
> arrows, just because having the hands in touch typing position is
much
> faster, period. But hitting the ESC key to go to normal mode, hit a
> couple of keys for doing the movement and hitting 'i' again is slower
> than keeping in insert mode and using the arrows, at least for me.
>
> Probably if I had learnt to use an editor with vi, I will get
used
> to hit the ESC and change modes fast, but I hadn't and now
hitting ESC
> is very unnatural to me, even though I use it in my shell to
clean the
> command line!.
>
> It's just a mental attitude, I know, but... What I try to
mean with
> this message is that hjkl is not necessarily faster even if you touch
> type.
>
> Raúl Núñez de Arenas Coronado
>
If the Esc key is too far, you may try using Ctrl-[ instead -- Vim
sees it as Esc.
Best regards,
Tony.
--
hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict:
50. The last girl you picked up was only a jpeg.
One of my most precious maps is
imap jk <esc>
imap jj <esc>
provided you don't have any other
imap that starts with jj or jk (you will have to wait for the timeout),
and you don't type words with that two letters next to other (I doubt spanish
has any) it's very handy.
Best regards from Spain
