If the topic is about fonts, I would like to make some comment. The Bitstream Vera Sans Mono looks ugly with subpixel hints. You can say the same thing about Consolas. But if the hinting are turned on and compared on the Windows, Consolas beats the BVSM easily. Just try to compare the zero character. There is only one size in BVSM looks sort of O.K.. It might be my personal taste again. But I think one thing Microsoft did well in the Vista is about fonts. I use YaHei for Chinese and Segoe UI or calibri for English. I don't read Chinese a lot (only some websites). So Chinese fonts poor rendering in Linux don't bother me a lot.
In Linux, I use blackblox or windowsmaker. The KDE or GNOME don't attract me in general. I know about tuning the fonts in Ubuntu and RedHat. I still think in Linux the Terminus bitmap font beats every true type fonts. On 4/22/07, A.J.Mechelynck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Zhaojun WU wrote: > Hi, Vimmer, > > I intended to reply this just to Zhichao, but on second thought, I > think it would be better to share it within this list, as I hope some > resources I mentioned below would be useful to those who are also > interested. > > Thanks, > Zhaojun > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Zhaojun WU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Apr 22, 2007 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: VimWin > To: Zhichao Hong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On 4/22/07, Zhichao Hong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sorry, I don't use gui while in linux. The ugly fonts in x windows >> are killing my eyes. Yes it includes the dejavu mono. > > First, sorry for the off-topic reply. :) > > This is not for your VIM win32 based binary, nor for the comparison > between vc++ and g++. This is for your claim about the "ugly" font in > X window. :) > > I don't know why you say the font in X window is ugly if you are not > saying the Chinese font. AFAI, the BitStream Vera Sans Mono (or its > inheritor, the Dejavu fonts) looks very pretty in my GVIM and it is > really one of the fonts just for programmer > [http://www.lowing.org/fonts/] . > > One case might be possible when the font looks really uncomfortable if > you install your Linux system choosing the Simplified Chinese as the > default language and without any customization after the installation. > It was a headache owing to the less Chinese support in many Linux > distributions before, but now, I think it is better although far from > "perfect". > > However, if you tweak your locale setting and the xorg.conf, or in > another word, do the "Chinese Beautification" - a hot topic in every > Linux related forum/BBS/blogs in Chinese communities, you can get > better feeling about the X window, at least in English font. For > Chinese fonts, if you think copying the Sim series fonts from your own > Windows OS to your own Linux box is also a behavior of breaching MS's > IP, WenQuanYi [http://wqy.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/enindex.cgi] is a > great but free of charge solution. > > In a word, it is not X Window's fault, do not put your blame on it. :) > -- > Best, > Zhaojun (Joseph) > Yeah, me too I like Bitstream Vera Sans Mono: that's the 'guifont' I use for Latin text nowadays. For Chinese, I like FZFangSong or FZKaiTi for their elegant shapes. I think they were included in one of the fonts packages available on SuSE Linux. At smaller character cell sizes you may prefer some less "elegant" font, maybe FZSongTi (which has less cursive shapes, with more straight lines, maybe more "Japanese-like") or FZHeiTi (a Chinese sans-serif font as used for titles, billboards, etc;). All of them display quite well in X in a gvim version with GTK2 GUI. Note that (at least in the GTK2 GUI that I use) the "example" in the ":set gfn=*" menu can be replaced (via the clipboard) by any string you want: the Latin text which stands there by default is not very representative of how Chinese text will look, so when in search of a Chinese font I paste 道可道、非 常道。名可名、非常名。there instead. Of course, almost any sample Chinese text would do. I agree with you, Zhaojun, that the ugliness of fonts is not a fault of X (or of Windows for that matter) but of the fonts which the user has chosen; it's however a fact that there are usually so many fonts on a system that it isn't easy to decide which ones to use. Best regards, Tony. -- Fortune's Real-Life Courtroom Quote #7: Q: What happened then? A: He told me, he says, "I have to kill you because you can identify me." Q: Did he kill you? A: No.
-- Zhichao Hong, CSDP [EMAIL PROTECTED]
