> -----Original Message----- > From: fREW [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 15 May 2007 04:24 > To: Tom Purl > Cc: vim@vim.org > Subject: Re: Vim Wiki - Wiki Template Proposal > > On 5/14/07, Tom Purl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sebastian Menge has graciously created a Mediawiki template that > could > > be used with the proposed Vim wiki. Here's a link to the template: > > > > * http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Tip > > > > This is the "wrapper" for the actual tip content. Here's an example > of > > some plain-text content: > > > > {{Tip > > |id=1 > > |title=Tip #1 - the super star > > |created=February 24, 2001 14:47 > > |complexity=basic > > |author=scott at kintana.com > > |version=5.7 > > |text= > > When a discussion started about learning vim on the vim list > Juergen > > Salk mentioned the "*" key as something that he wished > he had > > know earlier. When I read the mail I had to go help on what the > heck the > > "*" did. I also wish I had known > earlier...<br><br>Using the > > "*" key while in normal mode searches for the word > under the > > cursor.<br><br>If that doesn't save you a lot of typing, I don't > know > > what will. > > }} > > > > When you combine this content with the template on the wiki, you get > the > > following: > > > > * http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTip1 > > > > The big benefit of using a wiki template is that it separates the > > content from the presentation, which can be very nice from the > > perspective of a sysadmin or tip converter. > > > > The disadvantage, in my eyes, of using wiki templates is that it adds > > another barrier to entry for potential tip authors/editors. Not only > > would they have to know how to do basic Mediawiki editing, but they > > would also have to know how to use templates. Also, in my opinion, > it > > is more difficult to edit the content when it's "squished" into a > > template. > > > > So far, we know about the opinions of me and Sebastian. What does > > everyone else think? Is the template thing a good idea for our wiki? > > > > Thanks again! > > > > Tom Purl > > I think that a template is a good idea, but like someone else (was it > you Tom) said in another thread, let's make the metadata more subtle. > It really dominates the page and it's kindav an eyesore. I put up > another template and it is at > http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Tip2 with a demo at > http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTip1_v2 . The only difference > being that I manually took the #1 off of the tip title from VimTip1 > and I made the "Your signed comments here." not part of the template, > which was probably not really intended in the original anyway. What > do you guys think? The other idea that I had was to completely remove > the first header (==Tip: #{{{id}}} - {{{title}}}==) and have the tips > actually indexed something like that, so you would have that header by > default, and then a comments thing at the bottom.
Problem with asking for more opinions is that you may end up with too many. Here is mine :-): I like the idea of a template, naively I think this should simplify searches etc, I *much* prefer the second template because it is not taking so much screen real estate, and yet it contains all the info as the previous one. I'd like entering a new tip or adding comments to existing one to be as simple as possible, I'd prefer not to be forced to learn anything to be able to post or update (in other words it should be obvious) and ideally, a *normal* tip should fit on a screen, exceptions accepted, comments can extend the whole tip over a screen. In yet another words, I'd like to look at the screen and have (almost) all info right there without scrolling etc (read: as much as possible), so some big header doesn't fit my bill. Thank you guys for doing this work! Cheers, ---Zdenek ----------------------------------------------------- Zdenek Sekera | [EMAIL PROTECTED] LHC Computing Grid Project | +41 76 487 4971 (mobile) CERN, IT Department | +41 22 767 1068 (office) CH-1211, Geneva 23, Switzerland
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